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I do not approve. An overstep into private business and basically an effort to force Boeing to use unions.

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Federal labor regulators are accusing Boeing Co. of illegally retaliating for a 2008 union strike by adding a non-union assembly line in South Carolina for its new 787 passenger jet.

The complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board said the remedy should include moving the South Carolina assembly work back to Washington state, where it would be under union jurisdiction.

The complaint quotes public statements by Boeing executives saying they put the plant in South Carolina in part to avoid future labor disruptions. The government complaint said this amounts to discriminating based on union activity.

The union goes on strike, so Boeing decides to build a plant elsewhere and not use labor that walks out on the work...this is wrong why? Boeing makes money by delivering planes on time, I'd expect they, like all manufacturers, would like to avoid labor disputes from disrupting their business.

I'm a harda$$. I'd give the union a simple choice. Knock it off or I'll shut down every union plant just because and move all of my manufacturing elsewhere. Worst case? Boeing's made lots of money...I'd rather do nothing and walk away with my billions than build planes with a union gun to my head.

gunderwood wrote:The union goes on strike, so Boeing decides to build a plant elsewhere and not use labor that walks out on the work...this is wrong why? Boeing makes money by delivering planes on time, I'd expect they, like all manufacturers, would like to avoid labor disputes from disrupting their business.

I'm a harda$$. I'd give the union a simple choice. Knock it off or I'll shut down every union plant just because and move all of my manufacturing elsewhere. Worst case? Boeing's made lots of money...I'd rather do nothing and walk away with my billions than build planes with a union gun to my head.

Of course, your simple and elegant solution is illegal. Except for the going out of business part. Or maybe not, since Boeing's big enough with enough military contracts that it would probably be "too big to fail" and get nationalized.

Hippies and socialists criticising the free market in this country amuse me. What free market? There's been no free market since, what, the New Deal? Actually, no, it's been a lot longer than that, what with the American System and all that Whiggish rot.

Diomed wrote:

gunderwood wrote:The union goes on strike, so Boeing decides to build a plant elsewhere and not use labor that walks out on the work...this is wrong why? Boeing makes money by delivering planes on time, I'd expect they, like all manufacturers, would like to avoid labor disputes from disrupting their business.

I'm a harda$$. I'd give the union a simple choice. Knock it off or I'll shut down every union plant just because and move all of my manufacturing elsewhere. Worst case? Boeing's made lots of money...I'd rather do nothing and walk away with my billions than build planes with a union gun to my head.

Of course, your simple and elegant solution is illegal. Except for the going out of business part. Or maybe not, since Boeing's big enough with enough military contracts that it would probably be "too big to fail" and get nationalized.

Hippies and socialists criticising the free market in this country amuse me. What free market? There's been no free market since, what, the New Deal? Actually, no, it's been a lot longer than that, what with the American System and all that Whiggish rot.

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I know (underlined) it's illegal, but it more or less what Boeing is getting in trouble for doing less directly and a man can dream of actually working for himself right? Or is that illegal now too?

The facade of capitalism and free markets is just a convenient straw-man to knock down and deflect blame from the real culprits, our central planners. It's not capitalism causing the booms and busts. It's not free markets causing unemployment. It's the direct result of the actions of our government attempting to centrally plan the economy; interest rates, monetary policy, pseudo private government backed corporations, virtual nationalization of industries, tariffs, taxes, etc. etc. If the people aren't doing what some politicians in DC think they should (e.g. not buying enough homes, saving too much, not stimulating the economy through debt spending, etc.), then they spend our resources to make us do what they want. If too few Americans (and the key here really is the right Americans who will give said politicians more power) own a home, they'll just subsidize it. What could possibly go wrong?

They love to say that capitalism/free markets is chaos because their is no control, when what they really mean is they have no control. As if a man attending to his own affairs and trading freely with no force is somehow out of control!

Federal labor regulators are accusing Boeing Co. of illegally retaliating for a 2008 union strike by adding a non-union assembly line in South Carolina for its new 787 passenger jet.

The complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board said the remedy should include moving the South Carolina assembly work back to Washington state, where it would be under union jurisdiction.

South Carolina is a so-called "right-to-work" state, meaning individual employees can join unions but unions can't force membership across entire work sites.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the NLRB complaint, if successful, would give unions a virtual veto over business decisions.

"Left to their own devices, the NLRB would routinely punish right-to-work states that value and promote their pro-business climates," he said.

We have a winner!

The Boeing case is the latest example of a labor board that has been more active in defending the rights of unions since gaining a Democratic majority last year for the first time in nearly a decade...It also made waves in January when it threatened to sue South Carolina and three other states over constitutional amendments that guarantee the right to a secret ballot in union elections.

You have to admit it is all very Atlas Shrugged. Unreal.

Federal labor regulators are accusing Boeing Co. of illegally retaliating for a 2008 union strike by adding a non-union assembly line in South Carolina for its new 787 passenger jet.

The complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board said the remedy should include moving the South Carolina assembly work back to Washington state, where it would be under union jurisdiction.

South Carolina is a so-called "right-to-work" state, meaning individual employees can join unions but unions can't force membership across entire work sites.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the NLRB complaint, if successful, would give unions a virtual veto over business decisions.

"Left to their own devices, the NLRB would routinely punish right-to-work states that value and promote their pro-business climates," he said.

We have a winner!

The Boeing case is the latest example of a labor board that has been more active in defending the rights of unions since gaining a Democratic majority last year for the first time in nearly a decade...It also made waves in January when it threatened to sue South Carolina and three other states over constitutional amendments that guarantee the right to a secret ballot in union elections.

You have to admit it is all very Atlas Shrugged. Unreal.

No surprises here. Just business as usual from our union Thug-In-Chief.

And they wonder why the economy isn't recovering jobs.

And they wonder why jobs are getting shipped overseas.

And they vow to use government force to prohibit the movement of jobs overseas; keeping them here where they can unionize them, regulate them to death, and tax every aspect, input and output of the process.

Which leaves the international field open for a foreign company to produce whatever the good or service is at a lower cost and/or higher return.

And THEN they wonder why the domestic company went out of business. And plot new regulations to fix the problem.

Meanwhile, our trade deficit grows as we buy more and more of what it takes to keep what is left of our economy going from overseas - on credit.

And they wonder what dumbasses like us must be thinking when we oppose raising the debt limit to pay for it. No, wait - - - not pay for it, defer the day of reckoning.

What a crock!

Simple solution: Boeing can pack up and move all assembly operations to Mexico. I hear there are lots of people looking for jobs south of the border.

I can almost hear the giant job-sucking sound now...

OakRidgeStars wrote:Simple solution: Boeing can pack up and move all assembly operations to Mexico. I hear there are lots of people looking for jobs south of the border.

I can almost hear the giant job-sucking sound now...

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Yep. That was sorta my point. Except Mexico may not be a good example. It may become our 51st, 52nd, 53rd, 54th, 55th, 56th, and 57th states. Ya'll just THOUGHT Obama messed up when he talked about 57 states during the campaign.

IMHO It is also a great election coming tool...get the unions and their embezzled pensions and dues on board early by any means possible to aid one of the worst administrations in history get reelected. It's going to be a business as usual and then some for the Democrats attempting to retain their stranglehold on the country and continue to promote the past, current, and future agenda(s) that are killing us as a country and a self governed people.

In a surprising move the unions have frozen financial contributions to all federal candidates so they have more money to fight state issues...