Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Frankly, when I first saw this I thought it was some sort of joke or someone was twisting the court's ruling to mean something it did not. I was wrong. Some Wisconsin judge, one where the only word that comes to mind is "whacko" has indeed specifically stated:

and I quote from his ruling:

5) no, Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume foods of their choice;

http://www.thecompletepatient.com/stora ... on9-11.pdf

It seems the lunatic fringe is eating the fabric of society.

Andy

Another incident of a complete butthole being appointed by another butthole to do a job that goes to their head and they start to render God like decisions in the belief that the job entitles them to do just that...... Judges are another part of society that needs a serious freaking overhaul....Far too many political favors and whacko ideoligies have made the legal system a farce in far too many venues..............

I seem to remember rulings like this in the Ukraine when the Russians were stealing everyone's food (and cause millions to starve to death). What an idiot. Who died and made him God. You know what, one of these days judges that put out crap like this are going to find out that #1 No, they were not God #2 They forgot in the midst of their communist little ruling that they forgot to do the first thing the commies did--disarm the people they are trying to starve. Really I could go on and on but BS like this really makes me very angry.

I'd be interested in knowing more about the case. From the ruling, it seems that the folks filing suit were trying to argue they were merely keeping one cow for their own consumption of unpasteurized milk. From the judge's choice of words, it seems they actually were trying to use a loophole as owners of a dairy farm to get away with something not allowed under state law.

Now, if it is a family with dairy cows that just want to drink unpasteurized milk, then the State overstepped "police powers". If it is a farm trying to skirt the law, then it is not so clear.

Gathering/foraging for fruit or other edibles in Cambodia under Pol Pot was classified as "private enterprise" and punishable by death.

Blinky murlk will getcha in trouble wif John Law every time - just ask the Amish!

Everyday the slippery slope argument is proven more and more. It only proves the inevitable growth and corruption of government power. The anti-federalists were overcome mostly by the federalists pointing out the "absurd" and "paranoid" claims of the AFs...yet, here we are well beyond even their wildest claims today.

The FDA mandating what and how you can eat? Regulating or banning what you can do on your own land, for your own food? Poppycock! It can't happen here...never mind.

This story makes me want to start a garden.

We have a small garden and it is a bit scary to think that ok right now it is a cow. How long until they tell me whether I can grow tomatoes and cantalopes and if I can what breeds I must use and what chemicals I must put on them to make them "safe" for consumption. GRRRRRR!

OakRidgeStars wrote:This story makes me want to start a garden.

You mean you haven't yet?

Here is a link to the Farm to Consumer Defense Fund site with a more complete, if biased, overview of the case:

http://www.ftcldf.org/wi-judge-denies-b ... rights.htm

To me this looks like this group is part of a movement that IS more than just "grow your own cows". However, I think their strategy is to get some basic groundwork set so they can move to the next step.

I agree with mindflayer about their intents and purposes. "Well, if I can own my own cow then it's up to me where I keep it, how I arrange to have it fed and milked, etc. I see nothing wrong with this.

Lawyers love to define things. ("It depends on what the definition of the word 'is' is." Bill Clinton) So why should it be any surprise when someone pushes for a solid definition and then uses that to further their own cause?

In this case, governments across the country are telling us we cannot buy raw milk, etc. They want to regulate EVERYTHING, including requiring every farm animal to be tagged so they can track them. I'm not kidding.

Anyway, if nonsense like that can't be stopped, we're in BIG trouble.

Andy

Just more proof that far too many judges have developed a Jesus complex and think they have the right and are privelidged to tell you and I what the hell to do.. Screw Em ..I';m all for civil disobedience on a regular basis!

Know what? In some cases disobedience to the corrupt authorities is the right thing to do. If it means my kids get decent non-toxic laden food and civil disobedience is what it takes--that is what we will do. We will do so quietly in such a way to be able to continue our existence. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is honorable to lay down and get run over by a gov't run a muck. If I own a cow I ought to be able to do any darn thing I want with the milk, drink it, bathe in it, feed it to my pigs. Note: I would actually much rather own goats than a cow.

mamabearCali wrote:Know what? In some cases disobedience to the corrupt authorities is the right thing to do.

Oh, I agree completely. But it's very important to remember that disobedience is looked upon very negatively by leviathan. It can and may very well end your life over it, literally or figuratively.

Everyone has to decide for themselves where the line lies.

When Leviathan is trying desperately to make us eat things that are toxic. Have medical procedures done that are questionable at best. Then to boot they are trying to prohibit people from providing for themselves--it is time to do as you will as quietly as possible. Every instance I can think of when the gov't gets into to telling people what they can and can't produce in the way of food for their family ALWAYS ends up bad (as in millions starve to death). Those who obeyed the gov't died, those who didn't some died, but some lived. We are not necessarily at that point just yet, but rulings like this pave the way. It is best for everyone to look to their own and start to think about how they could discreetly provide for their own.

yep, chickens...

Not allowed where I live I so want out of this community but I am stuck here till housing prices get back to reasonable. If they get back to normal we will move about 10 miles west and get us a nice house on 10 acres or so. Then the goats and the chickens. Right now we would have to take a 30-40K bath to sell so that is not happening. So what I am looking at is edible landscaping. Fruit bearing trees, pretty bushes that happen to produce berries. A few shade trees here and there. Potted small tomato plants etc etc.

mamabearCali wrote:Not allowed where I live I so want out of this community but I am stuck here till housing prices get back to reasonable. If they get back to normal we will move about 10 miles west and get us a nice house on 10 acres or so. Then the goats and the chickens. Right now we would have to take a 30-40K bath to sell so that is not happening. So what I am looking at is edible landscaping. Fruit bearing trees, pretty bushes that happen to produce berries. A few shade trees here and there. Potted small tomato plants etc etc.

Dont forget if you wait till things pick up so you can get that 30-40k, the place you wanna buy may increase in price 30-40k too, leaving you where you started. Good luck, I know how it feels living in a place you loathe (looking at YOU Westchester county NY!).

mamabearCali wrote:Not allowed where I live I so want out of this community but I am stuck here till housing prices get back to reasonable. If they get back to normal we will move about 10 miles west and get us a nice house on 10 acres or so. Then the goats and the chickens. Right now we would have to take a 30-40K bath to sell so that is not happening. So what I am looking at is edible landscaping. Fruit bearing trees, pretty bushes that happen to produce berries. A few shade trees here and there. Potted small tomato plants etc etc.

We were faced with a similar situation except we had no choice but to move. My in-laws need us down here now. Other factors were involved but we had to make a decision and, if necessary, bite the bullet on our house. We ended up buying our soon-to-be-current dwelling (yes, it was that bad) for cash and putting every penny we could lay our hands on into it to get it livable. We should be able to move in soon - the next couple of weeks finally. The house still needs a lot of work as it is still basically a shell but we can live with that.

My wife spent a week with her former employer and is coming back with some keets (guinea hens). Her co-workers gave her 25 chicks for a going away present - to be delivered when we are ready. We've got goats coming - down payment made. We've got about 4 acres, We've already planted some berries and two pecan trees. The fruit trees are paid for and will be shipped in the spring.

So what happened to our previous residence? It became clear it would be a looooong time before we ever got what we put into it. That house was in bad shape when we bought it too. The sad fact is, people only see what it is now, not what it was or what we did. If we sold it today, we would be hard-pressed to come away without still owing the bank. So we sold it as a rent to own. We set the price high enough so we will get something back - though we will still lose much of what we put into it. The renter will be credited with a portion of the rent over the next two years and can buy the house at any time between now and then.

If they default, we keep the down payment and they get no credit. Meanwhile the mortgage is paid and we can move on.

It's not the most favorable solution for us but it met our needs. When it comes down to it the money we are losing (I'm not sure really how much but it will easily top $40K), we are willing to sacrifice that for our new lives. It wasn't an easy choice but I think it was worth it... even if I STILL cannot afford my first handgun ever.

Andy

I love guinea hens! They are great. I hear yall on the housing market. We only bought this house 2 years ago so it would be a short sale if we tried to sell right now--not a good thing at all. There are days when I would rent out the house and buy a trailer on land, but somehow I don't think that my 3 soon to be 4 kids would appreciate that one bit. We will see how things shape up in the next few years to come. Besides I need to let my eldest gain another year or two so he can help me with the goats. A 8 year old can drag over a small goat a 6 year old not so much.