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Silencer myths and facts

Postby ImmortalArms » Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:30:21

1. Silencers are legal in Virginia.
2. Having a silencer (or other NFA item) does not allow the police, FBI, ATF, men in black to violate your Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.
3. Silencers do not sound like they do on TV/movies, but then again, most guns don't sound that way either.
4. Silencers are FUN!

Purchasing a silencer in Virginia is a simple process. We here at Immortal Arms pride ourselves on our knowledge of the "system" and making your silencer purchase as easy as possible. We are authorized dealers for just about every "can" made in the US.

Please post any questions you may have or myths you have heard and we will answer/debunk them.
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby OakRidgeStars » Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:43:50

ImmortalArms wrote:3. Silencers do not sound like they do on TV/movies, but then again, most guns don't sound that way either.


Which is why most people refer to them as suppressors. "Silencers" only exist on film, TV or the minds of the uninformed.
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby gunderwood » Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:15:38

OakRidgeStars wrote:
ImmortalArms wrote:3. Silencers do not sound like they do on TV/movies, but then again, most guns don't sound that way either.


Which is why most people refer to them as suppressors. "Silencers" only exist on film, TV or the minds of the uninformed.

And a handful of well designed .22lr cans with the perfect ammo.
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby ImmortalArms » Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:25:39

OakRidgeStars wrote:
ImmortalArms wrote:3. Silencers do not sound like they do on TV/movies, but then again, most guns don't sound that way either.


Which is why most people refer to them as suppressors. "Silencers" only exist on film, TV or the minds of the uninformed.
... ATF calls them that, up to the reader to decide where they fit on your scale
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby pedal_pusher » Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:13:49

actually 'silencers' was an actual term, it's just not used anymore. i own a few brügger & thomet's marked 'silencer' that use wipes for sound suppression, unlike machined baffles of today. the term 'suppressor' for me, just means the difference in technology.


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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby Taggure » Tue, 02 Aug 2011 08:16:23

All I know is that it makes a big difference on the sound of gunderwoods .50BMG when you shoot it with the supressor then without the suppressor.
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby Reverenddel » Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:49:07

I know that a "SilencerCo" Sparrow on a 10/22? You only hear the slapping of the action... quietest thing I have EVER shot!


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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby ImmortalArms » Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:10:05

pedal_pusher wrote:actually 'silencers' was an actual term, it's just not used anymore. i own a few brügger & thomet's marked 'silencer' that use wipes for sound suppression, unlike machined baffles of today. the term 'suppressor' for me, just means the difference in technology.


The ATF still uses the term silencer when referring to these items. Suppressor has become a more PC term, as silencers have taken on a negative aura of "hitman".
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby ImmortalArms » Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:12:09

Reverenddel wrote:I know that a "SilencerCo" Sparrow on a 10/22? You only hear the slapping of the action... quietest thing I have EVER shot!


Attach it to the end of a Ruger 22/45 and run subsonic ammo.....click...slap...BIG GRIN
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby kanata67 » Wed, 03 Aug 2011 03:07:43

I tried subsonic 22lr in my waltherp22 and it jammed every shot. I'm thinking suppressor and bolt action rifle is the way to be real quite.
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby Reverenddel » Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:40:47

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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby ImmortalArms » Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:06:19

A bolt gun setup is scary quiet.
P22's are picky about the ammo. You have to play with it until you find the load it likes. The 22/45 doesn't seem to care.
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby AlanM » Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:26:35

Now, I know next to nothing about suppressors and currently have no interest in getting one. And I CERTAINLY would NOT improvise one in violation of state and federal law.

I do have an observation:
I wonder how well soda bottle suppressors work and I wonder if anyone at the BATFE has noticed this advertisement.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606354

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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby jdonovan » Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:06:22

I'm fairly cerian the wallmart add this week had both duct tape and pillows in it... I wonder if they know about that add too?


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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby gunderwood » Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:19:56

jdonovan wrote:I'm fairly cerian the wallmart add this week had both duct tape and pillows in it... I wonder if they know about that add too?

I read a crime research report on suppressors a while back (don't think I saved it off and I don't recall where I got it from), but they noted that criminals know about the additional charges if they use a suppressor in the commission of a crime (technically just possessing one while committing a felony is sufficient). Thus, pillows indeed are the most common suppression technology used in the commission of a crime. A pillow is very effective (apparently), conspicuous and/or easy found on location, carries no additional charge, and is "untraceable."

Clearly we need to bring pillows under the NFA...
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Re: Silencer myths and facts

Postby Diomed » Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:55:00

AlanM wrote:I wonder how well soda bottle suppressors work and I wonder if anyone at the BATFE has noticed this advertisement.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606354

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It's called the "No Mess" Tipton™ Patch Catcher.

Soda bottle silencers work quite well, apparently the old one liter bottles were best (shaving cream makes a great coolant). Every few years someone comes out with another bottle adapter, that is the registered part and the bottle is a consumable, like a wipe.

Those solvent traps have been noticed before, but ATF hasn't said anything about them and I'm not aware of anyone making one into a silencer and then talking about it online.

Perhaps I should get one and see how it performs.

gundrewood wrote:I read a crime research report on suppressors a while back (don't think I saved it off and I don't recall where I got it from), but they noted that criminals know about the additional charges if they use a suppressor in the commission of a crime (technically just possessing one while committing a felony is sufficient).

Do you mean this law review article?


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