Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

It's the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacture of and Trafficking in Firearms, also known by it's Spanish acronym, CIFTA. Supposed to help curb all those illegal American guns that are flowing to Mexico.
Here's an article from Fox News about the Mexican President's plan to pitch this to Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/20/theodore-bromund-ray-walser-felipe-calderon-obama-state-visit-cifta-chavez/
Scary stuff.



Parry

The little turd in cohorts with Billary Clinton is trying this BS again,, HE thnks the problems are ours and we need to change to suit his negligent/incompetent butt. THis along with the nonsense in the UN with Billary again nad Harold Koh the legal adviser to the State Dept. make for some dangerous ground for gun owners if these clowns can get the Senate convinced to buy this..THrow the 2nd out the window if they do.. Reason why we cannot ever let this thing come to pass is simple when you know the end consequence.

And was speaking to the U.S. Congress? Sorry, senor, but the U.S. in the U.S. Congress stands for United States, not Mexico. We will pass our own laws, thank you.

Worse too was when the Obama boot lickers all stood up and gave the little SOB a standing ovation,, Should have grabbed his ass and put it out on the curb for pick up.

This really gets to me...the article states that every time a weapon without "papers" cross the US border it breaks US law...why cant they recognize the same thing about people...jerk twit morons...

Well the treaty wont get very far - IF THEY FOLLOW THE RULES...the liberal twits dont have enough votes...generally speaking it requires a 2/3 vote to pass a treaty by the senate...

I did some additonal reading and the little POS hasn;t got a clue other than fairy tales he is making up... He thinks FullAutos are available on main street USA at Gun Stores and Shows just about anywhere in the Southwest,,, I guess noone has told him how hard it acctually is to own or get one of em here,,,

The amusing thing about CIFTA is that our import/export rules are already more stringent than what the treaty would impose, or what any of the other signatory states currently have. Smoke and mirrors.

Diomed wrote:The amusing thing about CIFTA is that our import/export rules are already more stringent than what the treaty would impose, or what any of the other signatory states currently have. Smoke and mirrors.

I dont think so. Read the fine print. CIFTA would basically make it unlawful to do just about anything to a gun yourself without a license...trigger work, tricking out an AR, building your own...not to mention reloading ammo would be a big crime. This would be a giant step towards total control. My guess is that spare parts for guns would immediately become unavailable to anyone except those with an FFL license and not transferable unless installed by a licensed gunsmith. And reloading equipment or supplies...those would disappear altogether behind a bureaucratic screen...

Here's a link and the first definition for "illicit manufacturing" and then a clause that says to make "illicit manufacturing" a criminal offense. The definition can clearly cover assembling your own rifle and can be interpreted to include installing or changing virtually any part of a gun. It also clearly includes assembling ammunition, i.e reloading. Note in Article IV number 1 it clearly states "the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms" -- not only trafficking...

Read it and weep.

http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm

ARTICLE I
Definitions

For the purposes of this Convention, the following definitions shall apply:

1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; or

c. without marking the firearms that require marking at the time of manufacturing.

ARTICLE IV
Legislative Measures

1. States Parties that have not yet done so shall adopt the necessary legislative or other measures to establish as criminal offenses under their domestic law the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials.

EDIT: By the way, this is a perfect example of where we the people have sat around letting things just slide on by. Note the date on the web page - 1997 - clinton era. Yes, they come up with this back then but this is still the same treaty they are talking about today. I wasnt paying much attention back then but my guess is that when we the people saw this was no longer a threat we went back to sitting on our laurels.

The result was like a snake slithering back into its hole. Had someone poured gasoline down that hole followed by a match and more gas this would not be happening now....

If we the people ever regain control we must constantly stand over the elected leaders and smack them down every 5 minutes even if they are doing a good job...just to remind them that we are watching and we are in charge...but I think that chance passed us by a long time ago...

Here's an idea -- elected leaders should be treated like they treat the military right now...think about it...

Almost sounds like the same deal Canada has. Cross the border with a rifle or shotgun now and you have to pay to bring it in . Might be the same with bows now too because I was told at the border that a bow is considered a firearm in canada. The process is easy to bring a firearm (no handguns though) into canada but get caught with just one round of ammo it's prison time in mexico.

BUILD THE WALL!!!!! Like the Mob the ones coming to kill you are people you know... Hillary and Company will toss gun owners and the Constitution under a bus in a flash if they can find away,, For 2 reasons,,,Appease the money drain to the South and of course disarm the honest, law abiding here in America,, Treasonus behavior IMHO . Throw out the trash on November and fight like hell till then,,,,,,,,,

zephyp wrote:
1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

This would be the part that would worry me. In order to clean a firearm you have to disassemble (field strip) it (at least on the firearms I own you do anyways), now how the heck do I reassemble the firearm without breaking the law if this was passed?

A firearm can only be assembled once, whether it was at a factory or in someone's basement. Break down and reassembly for cleaning doesn't constitute manufacturing a firearm.

OakRidgeStars wrote:A firearm can only be assembled once, whether it was at a factory or in someone's basement. Break down and reassembly for cleaning doesn't constitute manufacturing a firearm.

unless you install a new item under CIFTA if its passed