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ObamaCare Could be Used to Ban Guns in Home Self-Defense
-- Important vote to occur on Tuesday

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
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Friday, October 9, 2009

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has something to say to gun owners: "Own a gun; lose your coverage!"

Baucus' socialized health care bill comes up for a Finance Committee vote on Tuesday. We have waited and waited and waited for the shifty Baucus to release legislative language. But he has refused to release anything but a summary -- and we will never have a Congressional Budget Office cost assessment based on actual legislation. Even the summary was kept secret for a long time.

But, on the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill (which is still unnumbered) tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It simply says:

* "all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market...";

* "individuals would be required to report on their federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage...";

* in addition to an extensive list of statutorily mandated coverage, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be empowered to "define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

ObamaCare and gun control

It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- we presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don't be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns "dangerous" firearms.

After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known.

The good news is that because homeowner insurance is private (and is still subject to the free market) you can go to another company if one drops you. But what are you going to do under nationalized ObamaCare when the regulations written by Secretary Sebelius suspend the applicability of your government-mandated policy because of your gun ownership?

All of this is in addition to something that GOA has been warning you about for several months ... the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump your gun information into a federal database ... a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

Is this what we need on a national level being applied to every gun owner in America?

Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Ask him or her, in the strongest terms, to vote against the phony Baucus bill.

You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator:

You already know that the phony Baucus bill:

* Is predicated on $283 billion in phony "cuts" which have never, never ever been realized since a similar commitment to cut Medicare costs in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 -- and will never, never ever be realized under the Baucus bill;

* Requires massive numbers of Americans to have government-approved insurance which the CBO predicts will be more expensive than current policies;

* Refuses to provide a cost for these policies, making it almost certain that more and more Americans will find insurance beyond their reach;

* Has no legislative language and nothing but a CBO "guesstimate" of the cost and benefits, based on a summary.

On the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It does say that the "Secretary of HHS [Kathleen Sebelius] would be required to define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

This could spell trouble for gun owners.

It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- I presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

This is, of course, in addition to the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump my gun information into a federal database -- a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

Please oppose the Baucus bill.

Sincerely,

sent

VBshooter wrote:Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

While attending a Transition Assistance Program (TAP) class recently,I was seated next to a head shrink, I mean lovely lady from the USMC. The topic of PTSD came up and I was informed by her that it was viewed as a mental disorder. If I'm not mistaken this being documented will instantly disqualify someone from a CHP/CCW permit and probably any future gun purchase, assuming they fill out their background check questionnaire honestly. Food for thought, for those thinking of claiming that with the VA, upon discharge or retirement from the Armed Forces.

45XDC wrote:

VBshooter wrote:Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

While attending a Transition Assistance Program (TAP) class recently,I was seated next to a head shrink, I mean lovely lady from the USMC. The topic of PTSD came up and I was informed by her that it was viewed as a mental disorder. If I'm not mistaken this being documented will instantly disqualify someone from a CHP/CCW permit and probably any future gun purchase, assuming they fill out their background check questionnaire honestly. Food for thought, for those thinking of claiming that with the VA, upon discharge or retirement from the Armed Forces.

The military has already made it clear that if soldiers seek treatment for PTSD and related issues it will not be held against them wrt security clearances. I would think the same would apply here for a CHP. Just my thoughts.

As I write this I am keeping in mind that this site is open to the public and every one and their mother can see. I for one go to the limits with keeping safety first and obeying all laws. I like many others would give my life to help the helpless, but when it comes to banning what the second ammendmant stands for, as well as me being able to defend my self and my family. Obama the governmant and who ever elce is concerned can kiss my As*. I will keep my arms and use them as needed even if that in itself marks me a criminol. Bullets first will they take my personal protection.

HR 2640, NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007

On December 19, 2007, both the House and the Senate passed HR 2640 by unanimous consent.

Under the 1968 Gun Control Act, an individual is prohibited from possessing a firearm if he:
(a) is under indictment or has been convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year;
(b) is a fugitive from justice;
(c) is an unlawful user or an addict of any controlled substance;
(d) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
(e) is subject to a court order restraining them from domestic violence;
(f) has been convicted of a domestic violence misdemeanor;
(g) has been dishonorably discharged from the military;
(h) is an illegal alien; or
(i) renounced U.S. citizenship.
The NICS Improvement Act enforces existing law by encouraging states to automate and share
disqualifying records with the FBI’s NICS database.



Now, I'm not real clear exactly how the word "committed" is defined in law, or is a self referral is considered differently, but something to note none the less.

KennyS wrote:

As I write this I am keeping in mind that this site is open to the public and every one and their mother can see.

It's good that it can be seen, It tells whoever is reading this or lurking like some bonehead looking for a conspiracy that we are awake, we are organized and we are not afraid to stand and defend ANY of our rights.This site is the ultimate expression of our 1st amendment right and it sends the message we will not be silenced nor will we stand any longer while the politicians in this country try to force their treasonus social agendas on us. I agree whole heartedly with KennyS on defending ourselves ,our families and our Constitutional rights.The current crop of idiots that would try and take them away or otherwise destroy those rights can all GO to Hell!

KennyS wrote:As I write this I am keeping in mind that this site is open to the public and every one and their mother can see. I for one go to the limits with keeping safety first and obeying all laws. I like many others would give my life to help the helpless, but when it comes to banning what the second ammendmant stands for, as well as me being able to defend my self and my family. Obama the governmant and who ever elce is concerned can kiss my As*. I will keep my arms and use them as needed even if that in itself marks me a criminol. Bullets first will they take my personal protection.

I agree, but we have the 1st Amendment (speech, press, assembly, and redress of grievance to government) that we must exhaust. We havent done that yet. We need to fully exploit the tools we have available to resolve these issues before they make some dumb law that hog ties us all.

One thing of note is that it seems they are trying to do exactly that,,, Quiet us..Attacks on free speech,,regulation of airwaves and talk radio,, giving the President control of the internet during an "emergency" ,It is well advisable that we all remain very much awake at all times. There are people in Washington and other places that have no respect for or need of the Constitution. It only serves as an annoyance to them and they're trying to violate it in the name of whatever political buzzword in these days on a regular basis.