Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

I've recently been organizing several petitions for Constitutional Carry in the state of Virginia - no need for us to pay extra to exercise a right already guaranteed by the Constitution.

Write to your state senator to secure our right to keep and bear arms without being extorted to do so - get as many signatures as you can. Democracy doesn't work without YOU!

Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming, and Arizona have already enacted Constitutional Carry laws - let's make Virginia the fifth.

Stay safe, best regards.

403Forbidden wrote:Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming, and Arizona have already enacted Constitutional Carry laws - let's make Virginia the fifth.

Just to keep my "Annoying Nit Picker" card up to date I have to point out that Vermont has enacted NO laws permitting Constitutional Carry.
As a matter of fact, Vermont has NO laws referencing carrying of handguns by adults that are not under disability to own firearms.
That is, that that has not been made illegal, is, by definition, legal.

I'd like to inconvenience a few more electrons and point out that ALL laws make some action ILLEGAL. Any law that seems to be granting a right or privilege is really only carving out an exception to a more general law against that behavior.

The example I used to use, until I realized the truth, was the, now universal, "right turn red law". I used to say that this law was one of the only laws I knew of that granted a right to do something.
But then I realized that really it is just an exception to the law against entering an intersection when you have a red light facing you.

AlanM wrote: "right turn red law"

Off Topic

Here's a gripe and a funny story:
Gripe: it is right turn on red *after a stop* if there is no oncoming traffic, and you are not required to turn right on red. People have morphed this into barging right on through, and screw you if you were coming down the street (with right of way!) and had to slow to let the barger in. And they blow their horn to try and force you to turn right, even if (a) you did not want to turn, or (b) you did not feel the traffic flow would allow you in.

Story: Massachusetts was talking about this right-on-red law some years ago, and a letter-to-the-editor in the Globe said, "I've been reading with interest the considerations the state legislature is giving to legalizing right turns on red. This makes sense, has worked well in other places, and seems considerably safer to me than the current practice in Boston of going straight through on red."

AlanM wrote:The example I used to use, until I realized the truth, was the, now universal, "right turn red law".

Well, almost universal... On my first-ever trip to NYC earlier this year, I noticed signs as I departed the rental car lot stating that "right on red" is illegal in the state of New York. I had visited other places in upstate New York frequently prior to that, and never saw any such signs. No doubt I am a wanted scofflaw there.

I,m currently in AZ in Kingman and was in Phoenix,,I haven;t seen one open carrier anywhere,,,THose that I talk to about it all say its to avoid hassles with the law. Don;t know if AZ cops have an issue but its sad to hear the gun folks say that they're afraid of them.. SOBs work for the citizens and harrasing them for excercising a right should be lawsuit material

How would one get involved in this? I've always believed this should be the case regardless of what the idiots leading us think.

Remember us non-VA folks when you get this passed.