Recommendations for a BP rifle?

If you're into blowing smoke, this is the forum for you!

Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Nathan » Tue, 19 May 2009 13:26:58

I'm looking to venture into the black powder game so I can take advantage of black powder deer season in the fall and also participate in a managed hunt that only allows archery tackle and black powder.

I'd like to stay under $500. I'm assuming .45 cal is enough for whitetail?

Thanks!


User avatar
Nathan
Marksman
Marksman
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:34:02
Location: Roanoke/Bassett
First Name: Nathan

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Moccasin » Tue, 19 May 2009 13:56:10

I would suggest .50 cal but a .45 would do. According to VA hunting regs the gun itself must be a minimum of .45 for deer, I believe you can use a smaller saboted bullet though. I believe most of the readily available pellets and bullets are for .50 cal's also. .54 and .45 are available, just not in the same quantities as .50 in most stores.

I can provide no help on what rifle to buy. I have a .50 cal sidelock but I think the consensus here is to get an inline.


Moccasin
 

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby cutun » Tue, 19 May 2009 17:12:06

I too would suggest a 50 cal. It's a good all round cal, you can kill just about any critter walkin. I'd also suggest and inline because of the cleaning factor. One thing to consider is where you hunt...if you can reach out for some long range shots, you may want a45 cal, they tend to shoot a bit flater. Some of these 45cal guns with 150 grains of powder can do some serious damage out to 200 yards. Quite remarkable for a socalled "primitive weapon"
Enjoy the Journey
Share your passion, take a kid hunting!

Otter Outdoors Pro Staff
Webfoot Mafia Field Staff


User avatar
cutun
On Target
On Target
 
Posts: 38
Joined: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:26:08
Location: Chesterfield
First Name: Joe

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Vahunter » Tue, 19 May 2009 19:16:36

For your price range you can't go wrong with a .50 T/C Omega. I have one and it's very accurate.


User avatar
Vahunter
Sharp Shooter
Sharp Shooter
 
Posts: 1508
Joined: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:07:05
Location: Charlotte County
First Name: Henry

My Arsenal:
All my guns were lost in a tragic duck hunting accident when the boat over turned.

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Moccasin » Tue, 19 May 2009 19:47:10

cutun wrote: Some of these 45cal guns with 150 grains of powder can do some serious damage out to 200 yards. Quite remarkable for a socalled "primitive weapon"


Don't say that too much, next thing you know there will be a push to ban .45 cal muzzleloader sniper rifles. :roll:


Moccasin
 

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby zephyp » Wed, 20 May 2009 09:07:48

Vahunter wrote:For your price range you can't go wrong with a .50 T/C Omega. I have one and it's very accurate.


I recently checked out the TC Omega at a Cabela's. Very nice and I see one in my future for the fall season.
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

Image


User avatar
zephyp
VGOF Platinum Supporter
VGOF Platinum Supporter
 
Posts: 10207
Joined: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:40:55
Location: Springfield, VA
First Name: DK

My Arsenal:
My Favs:
Whatever gets the job done.

Next Firearm:
M-1 Garand

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Nathan » Wed, 20 May 2009 11:41:41

Bud's has the TC Omega Z5 .50cal with "premium pack" for $327 delivered. Sounds like a reasonable deal? It comes with:

(1) Extended Super Jag
(1) Breech plug wrench
(1) Composite T-handle
(1) 4oz. Bottle of #13 bore cleaner
(1) ¾ oz. Natural Lube 1000+
(20) Cleaning Patches
(1) Super Lube grease
(1) Flex Loader†
(10) Shockwave† bullets
World of Muzzleloading† DVD

Image


User avatar
Nathan
Marksman
Marksman
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:34:02
Location: Roanoke/Bassett
First Name: Nathan

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby toytruck » Thu, 21 May 2009 13:16:05

TC Omega or Triumph in .50cal are very good choices. I have a Encore that has the same barrel, they are very accurate. You owe it to yourself to try the new powder Blackhorn 209. Its the closest powder to smokeless you can get (right now) very fast, easy cleanup, non corrosive and no crud ring or swabbing between shots.

http://www.blackhorn209.com/


User avatar
toytruck
Sighting In
Sighting In
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:08:02
Location: Harrisonburg, VA.
First Name: Steve

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Bob » Thu, 21 May 2009 22:01:03

I really like the T/C , I think it's hard to beat for the money. I prefer to shoot the 50 cal. no matter where you go you can find bullets and other supplies, and it seems to work well for me on deer.

I have a good supply of pydrodex and black powder, so I haven't been keeping up with things. I'll have to check this Blackhorn 209 out, it sounds good.
The Bonnie Blue Flag


"I'll keep My Guns, My Freedom, and My Money, You can keep the Change"


User avatar
Bob
Sharp Shooter
Sharp Shooter
 
Posts: 271
Joined: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:39:28
Location: Brookneal Va.
First Name: Bob

Next Firearm:
A new 12 ga. more than likely a Mossberg

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby Blaidd » Fri, 22 May 2009 04:49:53

I picked up a used T/C Encore in .45 and love it. I've hunted BP and normal rifle season for the past 5 years with it. Like it better than my .30-06. If I was having to buy another, it would be a new Encore in .50 cal. There are just a few more choices of bullets and they are easier to come by.


User avatar
Blaidd
Pot Shot
Pot Shot
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:27:40

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby toytruck » Fri, 22 May 2009 20:12:06

Bob wrote:I really like the T/C , I think it's hard to beat for the money. I prefer to shoot the 50 cal. no matter where you go you can find bullets and other supplies, and it seems to work well for me on deer.

I have a good supply of pydrodex and black powder, so I haven't been keeping up with things. I'll have to check this Blackhorn 209 out, it sounds good.


Just be prepared for sticker shock, the cans I bought were $31 each and not a full pound of power either...


User avatar
toytruck
Sighting In
Sighting In
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:08:02
Location: Harrisonburg, VA.
First Name: Steve

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby guitarpicva » Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:24:43

[*]
Vahunter wrote:For your price range you can't go wrong with a .50 T/C Omega. I have one and it's very accurate.


I don't like the break open lever on the Omega. I much prefer the Encore in that regard. I have a ProHunter in .50 cal. It's a bit steeper in price, but has all the features that make muzzleloader hunting much less of a chore.

I have never used anything other than Blackhorn 209 powder. It's expensive, but considering you can shoot and shoot and shoot and not have to swab the bore, it's worth every penny. I have shot as many as 16 shots in a row with no swabbing and no loss of accuracy and no struggling to seat the next bullet. It's non-corrosive, doesn't attract moisture, more "bang" for the grain than Pyrodex or 777. I get great accuracy from this powder with saboted .452 Hornady XTP's. My load, at nearly 2000 fps at the muzzle, is a force to be reckoned with.

Also, for cleanup, you want a breech plug that removes easily (which most do nowadays), and if you use Blackhorn 209, you can use the normal solvents like Hoppe's to clean up with rather than the soap and water deal which I always thought was rather unusual and overly time consuming. No special lubes or treatments or "butters". Just clean as you would a modern firearm, and lube as you would a modern firearm. I use Gunzilla which does both really very well.

On parting shot....invest in a good breech plug cleaning tool. The shotgun primers really foul the plug up badly and is the most common cause of misfires or slow fires. I usually take mine out and just soak it in Hoppe's while I clean the rest of the gun, then make sure it's clear before reassembly. A breech plug cleaning tool helps if there are stubborn deposits especially in the flash hole.
guitarpicva
|||||| [o] VA


User avatar
guitarpicva
Marksman
Marksman
 
Posts: 94
Joined: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:22
First Name: Mitch

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby XD45acp » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:23:38

I have never used anything other than Blackhorn 209 powder. It's expensive, but considering you can shoot and shoot and shoot and not have to swab the bore, it's worth every penny.


AMEN brother... After I tried that stuff, never again 777 or Pyro. I have a Triumph and love it.
Image


User avatar
XD45acp
On Target
On Target
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:54:42
Location: Chesterfield, Va.
First Name: Rick

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby guitarpicva » Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:14:54

XD45acp wrote:
I have never used anything other than Blackhorn 209 powder. It's expensive, but considering you can shoot and shoot and shoot and not have to swab the bore, it's worth every penny.


AMEN brother... After I tried that stuff, never again 777 or Pyro. I have a Triumph and love it.


People resist it because it's not a pellet, but pouring powder is no more difficult than pouring a cup of coffee. Truth is, it's not more expensive to shoot, because you actually use less volume for the same velocity than pellets or BP. I have yet to find a down-side.
guitarpicva
|||||| [o] VA


User avatar
guitarpicva
Marksman
Marksman
 
Posts: 94
Joined: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:22
First Name: Mitch

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby zephyp » Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:28:40

Optima elite...if you are on a budget then this one will provide 2 barrels for the price of one...and they make about 20 different calibers. Cant say enough good things about this rifle. Nice shooter and accurate. Heavy for field use but yields a low recoil.
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

Image


User avatar
zephyp
VGOF Platinum Supporter
VGOF Platinum Supporter
 
Posts: 10207
Joined: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:40:55
Location: Springfield, VA
First Name: DK

My Arsenal:
My Favs:
Whatever gets the job done.

Next Firearm:
M-1 Garand

Re: Recommendations for a BP rifle?

Postby notesdev » Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:33:45

I'd stick with a flintlock. Percussion caps are a passing fad and soon everyone will be shooting flintlocks again. :roll:
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not
warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms."
---Thomas Jefferson to William Smith, Paris, November 13, 1787


User avatar
notesdev
Marksman
Marksman
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:50:09
First Name: Charlie



Return to Muzzleloaders and Black Powder

Who is online

Registered users: Google [Bot], jpmuscle, Majestic-12 [Bot], plainolddave, Quigley

cron
Please Support
Our Sponsors