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Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

As far as I know there have been two knockout game incidents where the victim responded with deadly force, one killed and one injured (with a knife) and the other injured with a handgun. Also as far as I know, neither was charged with anything. Interestingly the firearm incident involved the victim ...
by gunderwood
Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:50:37
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Remember, this man is not a lawyer, he just plays one on this forum. Please quote me where I've EVER claimed anything but that? I asked you some very pointed questions about your positions and you ignored them only to pile on ad hominem attacks or at least attempts at slight. You never even bothere...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:37:05
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Suggest to me: Single Point Sling

I thoight one point slimgs were passe and folks were using two point because it has all the benefits of a one point but fewer drawbacks. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] http://vagunforum.net/images/mobile.png I think it depends greatly on your intended use. One point has benefits in CQB, but doesn'...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:32:17
 
Forum: Rifles
Topic: Suggest to me: Single Point Sling
Replies: 7
Views: 1186

Re: stick up question

Repeating this mantra: "I feared for my life, He had a weapon, I would prefer to have a lawyer present at any further questioning. Thank you" +1 Expect that they will keep trying to ask you questions, but you do not have to answer and you should not answer (at this time, get a lawyer). Th...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:28:12
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: stick up question
Replies: 12
Views: 1260

Re: Affordable Quality Gun Safes

TheGodfather wrote:Didn't think about the humidity. Good to know.

FYI, I don't have personal experience with this (never had a fire). That's the summary of what I can find posted on the Internet from people who have had fires. Also, from talking to JD who IIRC, had more knowledge on this particular phenomena.
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:12:05
 
Forum: Question and Answer
Topic: Affordable Quality Gun Safes
Replies: 14
Views: 2278

Re: Affordable Quality Gun Safes

For once I won't wrote a long reply. :whistle: I keep things simple. The weight, cost, and hassle of these fire safes is too much to bother with unless you're getting much better quality than what is typically found (e.g. Brown Safes). The security isn't any better than the basic gun cabinet because...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:03:29
 
Forum: Question and Answer
Topic: Affordable Quality Gun Safes
Replies: 14
Views: 2278

Re: Suggest to me: Single Point Sling

I'm a Mapul MMS fan (http://store.magpul.com/category/51) , although my Troy is nice too. Here are some things to consider. 1. Thick webbing or padding is always preferred. The Troy is padded nicely. 2. Attachment mechanism. I prefer the QD mechanisms or clips. I'm not a fan of threading the webbing...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:54:11
 
Forum: Rifles
Topic: Suggest to me: Single Point Sling
Replies: 7
Views: 1186

Re: home protection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 29mEJFFIvo My problem is that the basic premise is flawed. The problem is multifaceted and they are only evaluating one parameter of it. An even "safer" solution is to not use a firearm at all, can't have misses if you're not shooting anything. ...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:42:25
 
Forum: Ammunition and Reloading
Topic: home protection
Replies: 27
Views: 4608

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

(1) trying to figure out a practical way to deal with attacks like this A surprise, violent attack is very difficult. The best thing is to practice avoiding and evading. Avoid going to high crime places, avoid being out late at night, avoid large groups (particularly those who are statistically lik...
by gunderwood
Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:58:34
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

I am glad you did your research on prima facie evidence, and now, I hope you understand that prima facie evidence can be a shot to the back. And, i hope you understand now that your accusation was incorrect. A claim and valid claim are two different things. Did you not read the other examples? I co...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:20:54
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

G: i dont think you understand what prima facie evidence is. If you did you would not be arguing that other things could be going on. I now realize that you know nothing of case law but what a federal attorney said about it. Trust me, your federal attorney didnt give you enough to assess this. I al...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:38:57
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

I am about halfway down page 3 of this thread. I just want to say that it is this type of debate and all that I learn from reading it, that I really value from this forum. I am off to church now, but can't wait to get back to read the rest. Thank you Remek, Gunderwood, and Lawofselfdefense for the ...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:24:07
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Please, third party reader, dont shoot someone in the back so willy nilly. Make sure the person is still an imminent threat. Who has argued anything but this in the entire thread? If you think anyone has, please re-read the thread. G: i dont think you understand what prima facie evidence is. If you...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:10:31
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Vice: immoral/wicked behavior Versus: in comparison to/against/contrast with. vice also is latin for "in place of" and used correctly when substituting vice comparing. You are correct about the latin versus, which is also where we get vice versa, which is basically the substitution of com...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:47:08
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

My search has been relatively quick and dirty, as you apparently know differently and will bring case law to bear that outweighs this, but the following case: COMMONWEALTH of Virginia, v. Victoria Shelton SANDS. Record No. 010071.-- November 02, 2001 Is not the same as there was sufficient time ela...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:20:09
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Blah, blah, blah. Whatever. Anyone here wants to follow gunderwood's legal advice on the law of self-defense . . . well, good luck. He's certainly verbose about it. Maybe that will get you off. A little short on the a actual statutes, jury instructions, and case law . . . but, heck, what trial cour...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:44:48
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

Would you prefer to compare IQ numbers or the quality of our educational institutions rather than the issues? I for one don't because to me, the words of wise man on the street are worth more than all the rich/powerful/educated fools of the kingdom combined. Argue with your mind, not your resume. H...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:36:53
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

VA has no such requirement to justify the response as "balanced" or any other BS. Again, VA is NOT MA or other states/countries that have practically banned SD like Great Briton. If you are justified in using deadly force you are justified. That means demonstrating AOI and fear of death o...
by gunderwood
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:09:10
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

The biggest risk you would face in this instance is there being public outcry from the thug community to charge you with something because most prosecutors won't touch that with a 10ft pole; it's almost a guaranteed loss. E.g. Zimmerman trial. Dear God. Prosecutors LIVE for those kinds of cases. Th...
by gunderwood
Sat, 09 Nov 2013 23:24:22
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521

Re: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?

This is bad advice. It makes a HUGE difference if the person you shot has an entry wound in the front or the back of his body. While there ARE legitimate reasons why you may have ended up shooting somebody in the back--many of them cited above--to say it simply doesn't matter is ridiculous. You'd b...
by gunderwood
Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:43:32
 
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Would you respond with deadly force to an attack like this?
Replies: 98
Views: 7521
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