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Postby dorminWS » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:32

......then click on the link below. I've been saying we were approaching or perhaps have passed the point of no return on the deficit spending. This guy makes that point in a brutal but concise way. But be prepared to hear the crack of doom.

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Postby tursiops » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:48:49

The accountant has it right.....the problem is Congress. They pass the budget and are responsible for the debt. Obama -- any President -- is largely irrelevant. Getting rid of Obama will not fix the problem. It might feel good, but it won't fix the problem.


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Postby ShotgunBlast » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:49:39

Awesome video. Thanks for posting! You're right that we may be past the point of no return.

Out of curiousity, since the video didn't mention it, could you explain how this would be any different under a Romney presidency? The video implies that Congress has quite a problem no matter who is in office. Even if we got rid of government spending altogether, we are still spending more than we are taking in.

As a swing voter I'd be ok with a Romney presidency, but it sounds like the real issue is that Congress doesn't know how to manage the checkbook.


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Postby Rich » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:13:16

tursiops wrote:The accountant has it right.....the problem is Congress. They pass the budget and are responsible for the debt. Obama -- any President -- is largely irrelevant. Getting rid of Obama will not fix the problem. It might feel good, but it won't fix the problem.


Exactly. Makes little difference who the president is if congress doesnt have any courage. The first place to start is to overhaul our ridiculously complicated tax system. And then...you have to increase revenue. People dont want to hear about tax increases. That is understandable. But how in the hell can we ever balance our budget without tax increases? As painful as it would be...I just dont see any other way. If there is I am all for it.


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Postby dorminWS » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:42:44

As I see it, Obama will not even acknowledge the problem is government spending and borrowing. He wants to prosecute class warfare, inflame the electorate with "fair share" rhetoric and impose confiscatory taxes on the "rich" which will significantly retard capital and job formation without having any discernible impact on the expenditures-vs.-revenues balance. It is, if you will pardon the expression, like peeing on a house fire. You might can say you did something that felt right, but all you accomplished was getting in the fire department's way. No amount of taxation alone will solve the problem. Now is no time to worry about revenue redistribution. The tax code needs to be a revenue-raising tool; not a socio-economic fairness engineering tool.. There will have to be rational tax reform that will not wreck the economy (or perhaps I should say *finish* wrecking it). There will have to be significant spending cuts to include entitlements and sat least the more lavish government pensions and benefit plans. To help the stupendous drain of wealth from our country caused primarily by purchasing oil and paying interest on the debt, we need to exploit ALL domestic sources of energy THAT ARE CURRENTLY TECHNOLOGICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. THAT INCLUDES OUR ENERGY ACE-IN-THE-HOLE: COAL. It excludes all those “green energy” boondoggles like Solyndra, Beacon Power, and Ener1 on which the Obama administration has been squandering money. Think back to the refusal of Obama and the democrats in congress to simply not spend the HUGE amount of unexpended “stimulus” money. Obama, in my considered opinion, is much less likely to face up to these hard cold facts than Romney; who has at least dealt with comparable situations (although on a vastly smaller scale) in the course of his "turnaround" activities with Bain Capital. These things that need doing so badly are anathema to Obama's constituency. Obama appears to really believe that there is no end to the federal government's ability to tax, spend and borrow. That is the absolute last thing we as a country can endure any more of. I don’t know that I can tell you exactly what chance there is that a Romey administration will face the music and do what needs doing other than to say I believe there is a significant likelihood it will. With a second Obama term, I think there is no chance in hell.
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Postby dorminWS » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:58:43

tursiops wrote:The accountant has it right.....the problem is Congress. They pass the budget and are responsible for the debt. Obama -- any President -- is largely irrelevant. Getting rid of Obama will not fix the problem. It might feel good, but it won't fix the problem.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Keeping him damn sure won't fix the problem, either.

He has repeatedly accused the republicans in Congress of refusing to cooperate when the democrats refuse to go along on anything that isn't straight off thew Obama dance card. To Obama and his crowd, "cooperating" is defined as doing exactly what they say. Then your hero Obama hides behind the rhetoric of class warfare and the politics of envy. The arrogant dipsh!t even opined recently that SURELY the SCOTUS would not take the UNPRECEDENTED (actually, our liberal former constitutional law professor lied about that - there IS precedent for judicial review going all the way back to 1803) step of ruling a law passed by HIS congress unconstitutional. If the electorate should be so lucky as to elect a group of congresspersons (of WHATEVER party) that can get their heads out of their @sses long enough to do something rational about this crisis, Obama, if he's still President will no doubt veto and otherwise obstruct anything that he doesn't approve of.

Honestly, what possible justification (other than to continue to attempt to pursue his liberal/socialist agenda) IS there for keeping this TOTAL SCREWUP that is Barack Hussein Obama in office for another term?
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Postby ratherfish » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:29:15

I think anyone STILL apologizing for Obama at this point should be sent to Uncle Teds marxism deprogramming and survivalist camp.

They need to get back in touch with their "gut piles"!
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Postby tursiops » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:48:54

Dormouse, getting rid of Obama is, in your words, like peeing on the house fire. Take a look at the deficit spending curve in the video. Obama owns just the very end of it. Congress owns ALL of it.

You hate Obama. Fine. Fire him. I'm not that excited about him either, but he was (IMHO) a better gamble than the other guy and what's her name.

But don't expect that to solve the deficit problem.

You offered the video as evidence....but please note the video is about Congress, not Obama. Right on.


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Postby dorminWS » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:52:25

tursiops wrote:Dormouse, getting rid of Obama is, in your words, like peeing on the house fire. Take a look at the deficit spending curve in the video. Obama owns just the very end of it. Congress owns ALL of it.

You hate Obama. Fine. Fire him. I'm not that excited about him either, but he was (IMHO) a better gamble than the other guy and what's her name.

But don't expect that to solve the deficit problem.

You offered the video as evidence....but please note the video is about Congress, not Obama. Right on.

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Turnips, my boy, you may be making some progress. That was perhaps the least enthusiastic apology for Obama you've ever delivered. Maybe there's some faint hope for you yet. :friends:
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tursiops wrote:Take a look at the deficit spending curve in the video. Obama owns just the very end of it. Congress owns ALL of it.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's like saying you were only driving the bus when it ran off the road. Compare Obama's deficits to any 5 previous presidents combined.
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Postby tursiops » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:48:30

dorminWS wrote:
tursiops wrote:Take a look at the deficit spending curve in the video. Obama owns just the very end of it. Congress owns ALL of it.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's like saying you were only driving the bus when it ran off the road. Compare Obama's deficits to any 5 previous presidents combined.

Of course, my answer is: compare this current Congress to those during the 5 previous Presidents....see any similarities? They have done ALL the appropriations. Pretty cool deal for Congress: spend all you want, and then dump on the President.

The video has it right: complain to your elected representatives; they are causing the problem.


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Postby ratherfish » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:13:58

Retire Obama as a Jimmy Carter.

Elect conservatives.

Observe their voting records.

If they don't stay conservative replace them.

Repeat as necissary.
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Postby Kreutz » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:36:28

Might wanna check out the win record of Prez candidates from Massachusetts in the 20th century.

They have a tendency to lose, expecting JFK that is. No one likes Massholes.

4 more years man, just get used to it. It will hurt alot less if you mentally prepare.

I'm a racist upper middle class white guy (aka the ideal Republican voter) and I'd still vote for even a bag of puke over Romney...in fact, that's currently the plan.

If Romney cant even get my vote, well, he's screwed.


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Kreutz wrote:No one likes Massholes.

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Massholes. I like that. It's very appropriate in my opinion based upon my experience with folks from Massachusucks.
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I was tempted to observe that folks tend to vote for the candidate with whom they have more in common. But I won't. Might hurt your feelings.
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Postby Kreutz » Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:39:58

dorminWS wrote:Massholes. I like that. It's very appropriate in my opinion based upon my experience with folks from Massachusucks.


Hey, it fits!


I was tempted to observe that folks tend to vote for the candidate with whom they have more in common. But I won't. Might hurt your feelings.


Whew, glad I didn't say "sack of crap" now. :hysterical:

Where did you get your millions if I may ask since you identify with Romney?


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"we're not stupid"

Well...most of us arn't.
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Kreutz wrote:

Where did you get your millions if I may ask since you identify with Romney?

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Like Mr. Romney, I might have gotten a modest head start because my old man worked hard, but I have also worked for what paltry little I (may) have accumulated (if real estate turns out to be worthless, then so am I). If I identify with Romney, it is because he knows what it is to work, be the boss who accepts responsibility for the enterprise in an environment where accountability is part of the system, and be under the gun to scrape up enough money to meet a payroll every payday. If our drones in the federal government shared that experience, we probably wouldn't be bankrupt as a notion right now.

Unlike Mr. Romney, I am not among the 1%. But I do still unabashedly aspire to it.

But also don't forget the alternative to Mr. Romney is a guy who got into and apparently through college and law school on scholarships and racial preferences and never held a private sector job in his life. No contest.
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dorminWS wrote:Like Mr. Romney, I might have gotten a modest head start because my old man worked hard, but I have also worked for what paltry little I (may) have accumulated (if real estate turns out to be worthless, then so am I). If I identify with Romney, it is because he knows what it is to work, be the boss who accepts responsibility for the enterprise in an environment where accountability is part of the system, and be under the gun to scrape up enough money to meet a payroll every payday.


Maybe, but I'm prejudiced here....I just can't see his past his whole silver spoon upbringing. I have relatives like that (handed a company to run) and "work" is not a part of their worldview.

If our drones in the federal government shared that experience, we probably wouldn't be bankrupt as a notion right now.

Unlike Mr. Romney, I am not among the 1%. But I do still unabashedly aspire to it.

But also don't forget the alternative to Mr. Romney is a guy who got into and apparently through college and law school on scholarships and racial preferences and never held a private sector job in his life. No contest.


Well, no disagreements from me on any of this. It only takes something like 380k/year to hit that 1%(seriously!); hope we get there in this life.


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Postby papasan » Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:11:59

unfortunately the other "real" option is a much worse choice than Obama. I'll be throwing my vote away this year and going with Ron Paul.

I actually like Obama on a personal level, just think he's ineffectual. I hated Bush with a passion, but one thing I'll say for the man is he got poop done. all negative but it was still something. 'course he had the Congress to help which is something Obama doesn't have.
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Postby SHMIV » Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:18:08

Obama is a con man. I worked with a bunch of felons that were just like him, personality-wise, when I traveled with the carnival. He has gone through his entire life without doing one single productive thing, and has lived off of the work of others. There is nothing likable, or even admirable, on any level, personal or otherwise, about Barack Obama. Further, he associates with people who lack in moral fortitude.

Bush 2 made plenty of mistakes, but I believe him to be a patriot. His heart was in the right place. After the Ft. Hood massacre, he was the one who quietly showed up, sans media, to comfort grieving families, not the Chicago Gangsta in Chief.

Romney... at least he has had something that resembles a real job. And he looks very Presidential. It's a bit of a shame that those are the only two things that he's got going for him.
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