Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

by **mk4** » Sat, 12 May 2012 21:53:08

...that NYC was a police-state: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/07/st ... criticism/

“Stop and Frisks are a necessary evil,” said Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, an NYPD union. “A lot of times it’s hard for the general public to understand.”

“The issue shouldn’t be people being stopped,” Mullins said. “It should be the frequency in which it happens.”

Getting guns off the street and saving lives trumps many of the concerns of the policy’s critics, said City Councilman Peter Vallone.

“I think Commissioner Kelly summed it up best at our last committee hearing. What alternative do you propose?,” said Vallone, who represents Astoria, Queens, and also serves as the chair of the Council’s Public Safety Committee. “No one has an alternative on how to get guns off our streets. What do we do? Wait until a shooting happens or do we try to prevent it?

“We had 800 guns removed from the streets last year. Do you know how many lives that saves?”

Vallone also dismisses claims that an arrest rate of 12 percent is too low to consider the practice of Stop, Question and Frisk effective.

“That rate makes absolute sense when it comes to stop and frisk. The stops are based on reasonable suspicion, not probable cause. It would be impossible to get higher numbers based on this,” Vallone said.

(italics added for emphasis. who needs a constitution and a bill of right?!? :roll:

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anyone remember the movie: Escape from New York? best idea i ever heard... put a wall around the city and toss all the crooks there and let 'em do whatever they want to each other, then the rest of us don't hafta worry about 'em. oh, and bloomy and all his cronies get to stay there, too.

by **Reverenddel** » Mon, 14 May 2012 09:53:41

The "Terry Stop", and "Chimel Wing Span Search" along with the "License's Check Stops" feel very Nazi-ish to me.

"Papahs! Ver are yur Papahs!" :whistle:

by **dorminWS** » Mon, 14 May 2012 10:04:57

Sad but true that government will, sooner or later, abuse any power granted to it. Just look what they've done with taxing and spending. We've gone from the whiskey rebellion, where there was armed insurrection over a tax on whiskey to the openly expressed attitude by government that it's their money and they'tre letting us keep too much of it.