5.56 will not penetrate body armor

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5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby wittmeba » Fri, 26 May 2017 08:16:08

Looks like some military may be going back to the 7.62 NATO rounds.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army- ... fle-2017-5
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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby kelu » Fri, 26 May 2017 13:50:21

1000 years ago when I was in the army, our officers always teach us to shoot twice, no more. If you hit relatively well at least once with the old AK47, there is no need to fire again.
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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby MarcSpaz » Fri, 26 May 2017 17:23:03

The enemy doesn't wear armor over their face... just sayin'. T Zone FTW.


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby dusterdude » Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:52

This seems to be an army issue,marines dont have this problem.

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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby jdonovan » Fri, 26 May 2017 21:32:28

MarcSpaz wrote:The enemy doesn't wear armor over their face... just sayin'. T Zone FTW.


in the CCW/personal defense world where you might be dealing with a prepared shooter who is wearing armor, the new catch phrase is COF.

Center of Face. Think of a 4x10" target as your new practice size.


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby MarcSpaz » Fri, 26 May 2017 21:44:58

jdonovan wrote:
MarcSpaz wrote:The enemy doesn't wear armor over their face... just sayin'. T Zone FTW.


in the CCW/personal defense world where you might be dealing with a prepared shooter who is wearing armor, the new catch phrase is COF.

Center of Face. Think of a 4x10" target as your new practice size.


I'm glad they are teaching that. Even if a bad guy isn't wearing armor, its most likely instant off. In life or death, you want to stop the threat as fast as possible.


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby kelu » Fri, 26 May 2017 22:40:14

These days, yes. As I said, 1000 years ago, in the communist army, that was the standard. Body hit, twice. I don't think I have ever heard of head shots (except for the PSL guy).
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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby Jon » Sun, 28 May 2017 21:44:31

MarcSpaz wrote:The enemy doesn't wear armor over their face... just sayin'. T Zone FTW.




We cant all be dead eye shots with a pistol at a 100yds. :)


Seriously though, I think the 5.56 has proven itself in MOST situations for the military for quite a while now. I agree that certain SO units could very well be benefited by a heavier hitting round.

As a CC'er I will still practice COM as that's the most practical aim point for any of us in the unlikely event we have to use our sidearm. Extremely unlikely that the average SD shooting is going to involve body armor.


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby MarcSpaz » Sun, 28 May 2017 21:54:14

Jon wrote:
MarcSpaz wrote:The enemy doesn't wear armor over their face... just sayin'. T Zone FTW.




We cant all be dead eye shots with a pistol at a 100yds. :)


Seriously though, I think the 5.56 has proven itself in MOST situations for the military for quite a while now. I agree that certain SO units could very well be benefited by a heavier hitting round.

As a CC'er I will still practice COM as that's the most practical aim point for any of us in the unlikely event we have to use our sidearm. Extremely unlikely that the average SD shooting is going to involve body armor.


Now if you're talking Red Dawn then I'm going to wherever Mark is to back him up... :machinegun:


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby Reverenddel » Mon, 29 May 2017 19:34:30

They sure about that? I've seen SS109's do some nasty shiznit to ceramic plates... Hell, up close? It'll make a plate steel dent... and I think you'd feel that.


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby jdonovan » Mon, 29 May 2017 20:10:25

193's are the real interesting ones on steel plates. Speed is one of the things that helps defeat steel. A 193, 20" bbl and short range make for a bad day for most things steel


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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby kelu » Mon, 29 May 2017 20:33:55

Steel plates? Then use this one:
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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby skeeterss0 » Wed, 31 May 2017 13:52:58

Center of Face works for zombies too
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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby kelu » Wed, 31 May 2017 16:38:25

skeeterss0 wrote:Center of Face works for zombies too

Well, that's a good argument. I have to start to train like this, half of this country is already zombie.
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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby az132207912 » Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:45:30

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Re: 5.56 will not penetrate body armor

Postby Steve32 » Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:09:37

How about Barrett M82 with AP rounds. I'm sure a random steel plate can't stop .50 BMG. :sniper:


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