Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

by **marked8** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:58:05

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/us/mo ... mit&st=cse

More Propaganda from the Bloomberg loonies.

by **wylde007** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:03:48

Sometimes criminals do bad things. Sometimes criminals manage to get government-issued permission slips to carry guns.

They are criminals either way. This article fails to make that distinction - quite on purpose, no doubt.

by **dorminWS** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:20:19

Well, if somebody wants to write a letter to the editor, my bet iss that if you researched the percent of NC CHP holders convicted of crimes and the same number for NY City cops, you could write a real zinger.

by **skeeterss0** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:45:51

laws, in all likelihood, have not significantly increased the number of people carrying concealed weapons among those most likely to commit crimes

The article is very poorly done. It gives numbers of cwp holders who commit crimes but never gives corrisponding numbers to non cwp holders nor does it use percentages. By not giving anything to compare the numbers to they are irrelivent.

The articles quote above also displays one of the problems of what they are proposing. They want to create more laws and more stringent laws, however they state that criminal element doesn't abide by the current laws inacted. What makes them believe the criminals will abide by any new laws.

Also the article admits that from the studies done neither more crime or less crime is an outcome of more laws.

My view of this article is the same as most liberal propaganda. It pulls poop from their ass and says their view is the correct view..

by **WRW** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:42:02

Neither recent nor previously unknown, this two year old story (at press time) hardly qualifies as NEWS. I really don't think it qualifies as serious writing, but apparently a lot of New Yorkers do.

by **SHMIV** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:25:34

skeeterss0 wrote:
By not giving anything to compare the numbers to they are irrelivent.

The numbers are quite relevant to the agenda at hand. The point of the writing is to instill a fear of guns and of gun owners. Sadly, there are those who will take this article, and others like it, at face value.

Just like there will always be criminals, there will, also, be people who believe everything that they read.

by **TenchCoxe** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:55:18

Here is a nice blog entry debunking the NYT's article.

Basically, the NYT has devolved into a far left-wing outlet for hand-wringing progressives. This article is so poorly constructed, it is pretty easy to destroy it - if you're able to think critically and analytically. Unfortunately, too many people these days lack that ability.

by **Kreutz** » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:46:52

NYT is more of a landlord than a newspaper. They own alot of square footage in Manhattan. If anything rent and creative accounting will keep their company afloat, God knows it doesn't have enough subscribers or stock value.