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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backI'm on hold now now with the NRA-ILA Grassroots Division. They must be getting a lot of calls, I've been on hold for a while.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
-Winston Churchill
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backHere's a little reading while you're listening to the on-hold elevator music.
From the Charlotte Gun Rights Examiner: http://tinyurl.com/39y4pvb From Gun Rights Examiner, David Codrea: http://tinyurl.com/33ugyla From the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner: http://tinyurl.com/29r6lul I expect that the officers at the NRA have already realized that they've pissed on the hornet's nest. How do you make an impact on an organization the size of the NRA?. You hit them in the wallet and the membership roster. That'll leave a mark for sure. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backYep, they gave me the whole we don't support it and didn't ask for the exemption. The woman I was on the phone with seemed like she had been dealing with these same calls all day and was tried of it. Complaint made, threat filed(no renewal), anger somewhat subsided.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
-Winston Churchill
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backI have expressed my view to congressmen and NRA.
If NRA looses enough membership they won't be exempt from this bill any longer. I don't think its legal to exempt one and not the other. There will be legal action if it passes .
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back This tactic by the Demoncratic Administration is a classic example of Saul Alinsky's teaching in "Rules for Radicals" of which Obama was a student. They used the "exemption" to isolate and marginalize the single biggest objector/opponent (NRA) to their desired legislation. The next step is to humiliate the opponent in public view (which has now happened) with most NRA members and other pro-gun group members being insulted and angry. Remember the strategy of "Divide and Conquer", well, they figured out a way to do just that by leveraging the NRA into "saving its own bacon" and forget about the "brotherhood of pro-gun organizations" which were not large enough, etc. to meet the exemption. What you are seeing is Marxism in action and if we as a whole do not create a united front and vote these self-serving commie wannabes out of office as soon as possible then SHAME ON US.....as we will get what we allowed to be placed on us!! Wake up my Brothers, the Wolves are on our doorsteps!!
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backI don't think anyone can disagree with that. Keep the pressure on the NRA and hope the change their mind before it's to late.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
-Winston Churchill
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backWell, I'm not a "I told you so guy" but I've been saying for some time now that the democrats will pull a fast one either before, during, or after the mid-terms. This is round for the "before" phase. My guess is they have a whole playbook of dirty little tricks to stack the deck in their favor and then cheat if those dont work...suffice it to say I aint a happy camper...and to think that one of my Christmas presents last year was a lifetime membership...
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backhttp://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzE4ZGQyMmUwZDlmZTIzMjc4NzhiMGEzNWQxNDE4NGE=
Thursday, June 17, 2010 And the Good News Is ... [Kathryn Jean Lopez] DISCLOSE has been yanked for now: Following a rebellion by two important factions of rank-and-file House Democrats, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has pulled a campaign-finance bill opposed by a broad coalition of special interest groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Pelosi and other Democratic leaders had scheduled a Friday vote on the DISCLOSE Act, a bill requiring special-interest groups to disclose their top donors if they choose to run TV ads or send out mass mailings in the final months of an election. The legislation is designed to roll back the controversial Supreme Court decision in the Citizens United case, which overturned restrictions on corporate campaign activities. But after complaints from the conservative Blue Dogs and the Congressional Black Caucus, Pelosi was forced to pull the bill on Thursday night. 06/17 08:14 PM "A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin ![]() http://macbournes.com/
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backYipee...the only thing disheartening about that news clip is there is nothing about how we the people feel - only those in power. Makes me proud to be an Amerikhan...uh er an American...
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backThey won't give any credit to us and our complaints , that would make them look like they gave in to us, in their mind so the Blue Dog Dummies and Black whatevers get the nod, However I would be very cautious that they don;t try to piggy back this POS onto another POS in the future,,,,Come November it's time to clean not only the House ,but the properties sourrounding around it too.....
" It's cool, I got this !!! " "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain John Parker
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backFrom the NRA to Congress:
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backWe scared somebody... The bill is on hold waiting for its final death,,,, I saw the witch of the West (Pelosi ) talking about it today and she could barely stutter her BS lies out acting like all is well and ther is no problems
From Gun Owners of America Congratulations:We are Winning... for Now! Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm "Gun Owners of America has been one of the key players in opposing the DISCLOSE Act." -- Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) Friday, June 18, 2010 Thank you all for your hard work. The DISCLOSE Act is on the ropes! Here's what The Washington Post reported this morning: One of President Obama's top legislative priorities is in serious doubt after top House Democrats' attempt to satisfy the National Rifle Association backfired badly. The Post says that "top Democrats abandoned plans for a Friday vote in the House" on the DISCLOSE Act after several Representatives and organizations "rose up against the deal with the NRA." Interestingly, the Post also reported that the intended beneficiaries of the deal -- that is, the Blue Dog Democrats who were expected to drop their opposition to the DISCLOSE Act once the NRA dropped theirs -- were still "spooked" by public resistance to the bill. You can pat yourselves on the back knowing that you were a huge part of the outpouring of opposition that was generated this week. You played a big role in "spooking" the politicians who are going to be soliciting your votes in November. You should know that the sponsors of the bill are still looking for ways to resuscitate the legislation, so GOA will continue to keep you abreast of further developments. But for now, enjoy the victory and have a great weekend! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your membership in Gun Owners of America helps us to fight battles like the one we did this week. If you are not already a member, please consider joining at: http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm " It's cool, I got this !!! " "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain John Parker
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backHowdy, Y'all,
Even if this bill never sees the light of day, those who want to muzzle the gun lobby may get their wish, thanks to the NRA and their decision to throw their brethren under the bus. Their short-sighted, self-centered action is a symptom of a long-standing problem in the community of pro-gun activists. We can't seem to work together unless our backs are against the wall. Traditionally, when things were bad the various groups would band together to support the cause. After the crisis passed, things go back to "normal", normal in our case resembling the set of "Survivor". This is not the first time the NRA has struck a deal with the devil, but this time it looks like the NRA has sold it's soul. They certainly sold out their allies (or competition, for those of you who prefer the glass half-empty). It wasn't necessary. Only a fool would have presumed congress was dealing with the NRA from a position of strength. On the other hand, it is possible that congress guessed the heart of the NRA, and the NRA took the bait. In any event, for all our sakes, the NRA had better learn from this, and quickly. Regards, George
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backWe NRA members who are miffed at the NRA over their bone-headed actions and statements should be working towards effecting a leadership change within the NRA rather than abandoning it. That is what I intend to do. We gun owners do our selves no favor by wrecking a pro-gun outfit with four million members that has political clout largely because of its membership size. I don't believe there is anything inherently wrong with the NRA that can't be fixed with some leadership changes.
You need clear sights, a controllable trigger, plenty of training ammo and an outlook that doesn't seek gear solutions to skill problems.
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back@Chasbo00
Please do not take this as sarcasm as I am serious in considering your opinion. (tone of voice can be very hard to convey through written communication, that's why I included the clarification) But you say effect a change in leadership, but from what I have read there is only a very very minute number of members that actively vote for such offices within the NRA. So I see two problems, one as we see in political votes, is getting the members to actively participate in the process and seriously look at their choices. The second problem I see is making sure those people have those choices. Not much to vote for if there is only one candidate. So I guess I am asking are you volunteering to run? Is there someone you would nominate that would take up the banner and run? For me I have no desire for such an office. And one of the many reasons I have avoided the NRA has been that grass roots organizations such as VCDL and GOA seem to put more emphasis on getting the individual member involved. While I agree the fact that NRA having 4 million members does give it great influence, that great number of members is also a double edged sword. It seems that the NRA has become so fat/bloated that it has problems seeing its own feet (read as members) when it looks down. Now this is just my viewpoint and I am sure there are those that would disagree.
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back@totes6
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I don't yet know how to effect a leadership change within the NRA. I suspect the NRA's board of directors (there are lots of them) is key; but, I'll find out. With respect to VCDL I totally agree; it's an outfit that is aggressive and results oriented and I wish the NRA were much more like VCDL in defense of 2nd Amendment and gun owner rights. However, the NRA, in addition to its Institute for Legislative Action (ILA), has lots of departments and activities not directly related to politics or legislative matters and these are important to gun owners too. As with most large outfits, some of these departments and activities are well run and some are not. But, I think whatever is broken within the NRA can be fixed. As an old retired military man, I subscribe to the axiom -- "there are no bad outfits, just bad commanders." You need clear sights, a controllable trigger, plenty of training ammo and an outlook that doesn't seek gear solutions to skill problems.
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backThis issue lost me from the start. Can someone explain very simply and briefly what transpired that has gun owners and NRA members up in arms with the NRA? The articles I have read thus far aren't very helpful, and none of the posts above helped me either.
Thanks! Inspector Callahan
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back
Howdy, Inspector, Back in January, the US Supreme Court struck down key elements of the McCain-Feingold finance reform act that has limited the ability of organizations like the NRA to influence national politics, particularly in the final weeks before an election. The timing could not have been worse for the party in power, and Congress has been working feverishly to fabricate a replacement in time for the November showdown. HR5175 was the vehicle for that replacement; I won't bore you with the details. The NRA fought it tooth and nail until the architects offered to carve out an exemption that would benefit the NRA alone. In return, the NRA agreed to discontinue their active opposition to the bill. Regards, George
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the backI'm afraid I am still as lost as I was before.
Inspector Callahan
Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back
it is all about money. 4M members is big money, plus all of the other donations. The NRA has been under pressure from these grass roots groups because they are competing for the same ddonations and dues. The grass roots organizations have been getting results and the NRA has been looking bad; that cost money. This exemption would have made the NRA the only game in town come election time and that makes money. Simple as that.
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