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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby Jakeiscrazy » Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:16:57

I'm on hold now now with the NRA-ILA Grassroots Division. They must be getting a lot of calls, I've been on hold for a while.
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby OakRidgeStars » Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:22:50

Here's a little reading while you're listening to the on-hold elevator music.

From the Charlotte Gun Rights Examiner: http://tinyurl.com/39y4pvb

From Gun Rights Examiner, David Codrea: http://tinyurl.com/33ugyla

From the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner: http://tinyurl.com/29r6lul

I expect that the officers at the NRA have already realized that they've pissed on the hornet's nest. How do you make an impact on an organization the size of the NRA?. You hit them in the wallet and the membership roster.

That'll leave a mark for sure.


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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby Jakeiscrazy » Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:16:35

Yep, they gave me the whole we don't support it and didn't ask for the exemption. The woman I was on the phone with seemed like she had been dealing with these same calls all day and was tried of it. Complaint made, threat filed(no renewal), anger somewhat subsided.
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby finnfur » Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:58:16

I have expressed my view to congressmen and NRA.
If NRA looses enough membership they won't be exempt from this bill any longer.
I don't think its legal to exempt one and not the other. There will be legal action if it passes .


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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby kraztrain » Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:51:43

:pistol: This tactic by the Demoncratic Administration is a classic example of Saul Alinsky's teaching in "Rules for Radicals" of which Obama was a student.

They used the "exemption" to isolate and marginalize the single biggest objector/opponent (NRA) to their desired legislation. The next step is to humiliate the opponent in public view (which has now happened) with most NRA members and other pro-gun group members being insulted and angry.

Remember the strategy of "Divide and Conquer", well, they figured out a way to do just that by leveraging the NRA into "saving its own bacon" and forget about the "brotherhood of pro-gun organizations" which were not large enough, etc. to meet the exemption.

What you are seeing is Marxism in action and if we as a whole do not create a united front and vote these self-serving commie wannabes out of office as soon as possible then SHAME ON US.....as we will get what we allowed to be placed on us!!

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby Jakeiscrazy » Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:02:15

I don't think anyone can disagree with that. Keep the pressure on the NRA and hope the change their mind before it's to late.
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby zephyp » Fri, 18 Jun 2010 00:19:57

Well, I'm not a "I told you so guy" but I've been saying for some time now that the democrats will pull a fast one either before, during, or after the mid-terms. This is round for the "before" phase. My guess is they have a whole playbook of dirty little tricks to stack the deck in their favor and then cheat if those dont work...suffice it to say I aint a happy camper...and to think that one of my Christmas presents last year was a lifetime membership...
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby smc331 » Fri, 18 Jun 2010 00:32:30

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Thursday, June 17, 2010

And the Good News Is ... [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

DISCLOSE has been yanked for now:

Following a rebellion by two important factions of rank-and-file House Democrats, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has pulled a campaign-finance bill opposed by a broad coalition of special interest groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Pelosi and other Democratic leaders had scheduled a Friday vote on the DISCLOSE Act, a bill requiring special-interest groups to disclose their top donors if they choose to run TV ads or send out mass mailings in the final months of an election. The legislation is designed to roll back the controversial Supreme Court decision in the Citizens United case, which overturned restrictions on corporate campaign activities.

But after complaints from the conservative Blue Dogs and the Congressional Black Caucus, Pelosi was forced to pull the bill on Thursday night.

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby zephyp » Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:58:57

Yipee...the only thing disheartening about that news clip is there is nothing about how we the people feel - only those in power. Makes me proud to be an Amerikhan...uh er an American...
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby VBshooter » Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:46:20

They won't give any credit to us and our complaints , that would make them look like they gave in to us, in their mind so the Blue Dog Dummies and Black whatevers get the nod, However I would be very cautious that they don;t try to piggy back this POS onto another POS in the future,,,,Come November it's time to clean not only the House ,but the properties sourrounding around it too.....
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby Quigley » Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:09:46

From the NRA to Congress:

NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox's Letter to Members of Congress on H.R. 5175, the Disclose Act

Thursday, June 10, 2010


http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/DiscloseAct52710.pdf

May 26, 2010

Dear Member of Congress:

I am writing to express the National Rifle Association's strong concerns with H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act, as well as our opposition to this bill in its current form. It is our sincere hope that these concerns will be addressed as this legislation is considered by the full House.

Earlier this year, in Citizens United v. FEC, the Supreme Court struck down the ban on certain political speech by nonprofit membership associations such as the NRA. In an attempt to characterize that ruling as something other than a vindication of the free speech and associational rights of millions of individual American citizens, H.R. 5175 attempts to reverse that decision.

Under the First Amendment, as recognized in a long line of Supreme Court cases, citizens have the right to speak and associate privately and anonymously. H.R. 5175, however, would require the NRA to turn our membership and donor lists over to the government and to disclose top donors on political advertisements. The bill would empower the Federal Election Commission to require the NRA to reveal private, internal discussions with our four million members about political communications. This unnecessary and burdensome requirement would leave it in the hands of government officials to make a determination about the type and amount of speech that would trigger potential criminal penalties.

H.R. 5175 creates a series of byzantine disclosure requirements that have the obvious effect of intimidating speech. The bill, for example, requires "top-five funder" disclosures on TV ads that mention candidates for federal office from 90 days prior to a primary election through the general election; "top-two funder" disclosure on similar radio ads during that period; "significant funder" and "top-five funder" disclosures on similar mass mailings during that period; and "significant funder" disclosure for similar "robocalls" during that period. Internet communications are covered if placed for a fee on another website, such as the use of banner ads that mention candidates for federal office. Even worse, no exceptions are included for organizations communicating with their members. This is far worse than current law and would severely restrict the various ways that the NRA communicates with our members and like-minded individuals.

While there are some groups that have run ads and attempted to hide their identities, the NRA isn't one of them. The NRA has been in existence since 1871. Our four million members across the country contribute for the purpose of speaking during elections and participating in the political process. When the NRA runs ads, we clearly and proudly put our name on them. Indeed, that's what our members expect us to do. There is no reason to include the NRA in overly burdensome disclosure and reporting requirements that are supposedly aimed at so-called "shadow" groups.

On the issue of reporting requirements, the bill mandates that the NRA electronically file all reports with the FEC within 24 hours of each expenditure. Within 24 hours of FEC posting of the reports, the NRA would be required to put a hyperlink on our website to the exact page on which the reports appear on the FEC's website - and keep that link: active for at least one year following the date of the general election. Independent Expenditure reports would have to disclose all individuals who donate $600 or more to the NRA during the reporting period and Electioneering Communication reports would have to disclose all individuals who donate $1,000 or more to the NRA during the reporting period. There are literally thousands of NRA donors who would meet those thresholds, so these requirements would create a significant and unwarranted burden.

Some have argued that under the bill, all the NRA would have to do to avoid disclosing our $600 or $1,000 level donors is to create a "Campaign-Related Activity Account." Were we to set up such an account, however, we would be precluded from transferring more than $10,000 from our general treasury to the account; all individual donors to that account would have to specifically designate their contributions in that manner and would have to limit their contributions to $9,999; the burdensome disclosure requirements for ads, mailings and robocalls would still apply; and the NRA would be prohibited from spending money on election activity from any other source - including the NRA's Political Victory Fund (our PAC). In sum, this provision is completely unworkable.

Unfortunately, H.R. 5175 attacks nearly all of the NRA's political speech by creating an arbitrary patchwork of unprecedented reporting and disclosure requirements. Under the bill, the NRA would have to track the political priorities of each of our individual members - all four million of them. The cost of complying with these requirements would be immense and significantly restrict our ability to speak.

As noted above, there is no legitimate reason to include the NRA in H.R. 5175's overly burdensome disclosure and reporting requirements. Therefore, we will continue to work with members from both parties to address these issues. Should our concerns not be resolved - and to date, they have not been - the NRA will have no choice but to oppose passage of this legislation.


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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby VBshooter » Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:55:16

We scared somebody... The bill is on hold waiting for its final death,,,, I saw the witch of the West (Pelosi ) talking about it today and she could barely stutter her BS lies out acting like all is well and ther is no problems

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Thank you all for your hard work. The DISCLOSE Act is on the ropes!

Here's what The Washington Post reported this morning:
One of President Obama's top legislative priorities is in serious doubt after top House Democrats' attempt to satisfy the National Rifle Association backfired badly.

The Post says that "top Democrats abandoned plans for a Friday vote in the House" on the DISCLOSE Act after several Representatives and organizations "rose up against the deal with the NRA."

Interestingly, the Post also reported that the intended beneficiaries of the deal -- that is, the Blue Dog Democrats who were expected to drop their opposition to the DISCLOSE Act once the NRA dropped theirs -- were still "spooked" by public resistance to the bill.

You can pat yourselves on the back knowing that you were a huge part of the outpouring of opposition that was generated this week. You played a big role in "spooking" the politicians who are going to be soliciting your votes in November.

You should know that the sponsors of the bill are still looking for ways to resuscitate the legislation, so GOA will continue to keep you abreast of further developments.

But for now, enjoy the victory and have a great weekend!



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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby gfost1 » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:13:58

Howdy, Y'all,

Even if this bill never sees the light of day, those who want to muzzle
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the gun lobby may get their wish, thanks to the NRA and their decision to throw their brethren under the bus. Their short-sighted, self-centered action is a symptom of a long-standing problem in the community of pro-gun activists. We can't seem to work together unless our backs are against the wall. Traditionally, when things were bad the various groups would band together to support the cause. After the crisis passed, things go back to "normal", normal in our case resembling the set of "Survivor".

This is not the first time the NRA has struck a deal with the devil, but this time it looks like the NRA has sold it's soul. They certainly sold out their allies (or competition, for those of you who prefer the glass half-empty).

It wasn't necessary. Only a fool would have presumed congress was dealing with the NRA from a position of strength. On the other hand, it is possible that congress guessed the heart of the NRA, and the NRA took the bait.

In any event, for all our sakes, the NRA had better learn from this, and quickly.

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby Chasbo00 » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:00:04

We NRA members who are miffed at the NRA over their bone-headed actions and statements should be working towards effecting a leadership change within the NRA rather than abandoning it. That is what I intend to do. We gun owners do our selves no favor by wrecking a pro-gun outfit with four million members that has political clout largely because of its membership size. I don't believe there is anything inherently wrong with the NRA that can't be fixed with some leadership changes.
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby totes6 » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:21:51

@Chasbo00

Please do not take this as sarcasm as I am serious in considering your opinion. (tone of voice can be very hard to convey through written communication, that's why I included the clarification) But you say effect a change in leadership, but from what I have read there is only a very very minute number of members that actively vote for such offices within the NRA. So I see two problems, one as we see in political votes, is getting the members to actively participate in the process and seriously look at their choices. The second problem I see is making sure those people have those choices. Not much to vote for if there is only one candidate. So I guess I am asking are you volunteering to run? Is there someone you would nominate that would take up the banner and run? For me I have no desire for such an office. And one of the many reasons I have avoided the NRA has been that grass roots organizations such as VCDL and GOA seem to put more emphasis on getting the individual member involved. While I agree the fact that NRA having 4 million members does give it great influence, that great number of members is also a double edged sword. It seems that the NRA has become so fat/bloated that it has problems seeing its own feet (read as members) when it looks down. Now this is just my viewpoint and I am sure there are those that would disagree.


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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby Chasbo00 » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:50:24

@totes6

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I don't yet know how to effect a leadership change within the NRA. I suspect the NRA's board of directors (there are lots of them) is key; but, I'll find out. With respect to VCDL I totally agree; it's an outfit that is aggressive and results oriented and I wish the NRA were much more like VCDL in defense of 2nd Amendment and gun owner rights. However, the NRA, in addition to its Institute for Legislative Action (ILA), has lots of departments and activities not directly related to politics or legislative matters and these are important to gun owners too. As with most large outfits, some of these departments and activities are well run and some are not. But, I think whatever is broken within the NRA can be fixed. As an old retired military man, I subscribe to the axiom -- "there are no bad outfits, just bad commanders."
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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby InspectorCallahan » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:12:41

This issue lost me from the start. Can someone explain very simply and briefly what transpired that has gun owners and NRA members up in arms with the NRA? The articles I have read thus far aren't very helpful, and none of the posts above helped me either.

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby gfost1 » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:26:14

InspectorCallahan wrote:This issue lost me from the start. Can someone explain very simply and briefly what transpired that has gun owners and NRA members up in arms with the NRA? The articles I have read thus far aren't very helpful, and none of the posts above helped me either.

Thanks!

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Howdy, Inspector,

Back in January, the US Supreme Court struck down key elements of the McCain-Feingold finance reform act that has limited the ability of organizations like the NRA to influence national politics, particularly in the final weeks before an election. The timing could not have been worse for the party in power, and Congress has been working feverishly to fabricate a replacement in time for the November showdown.

HR5175 was the vehicle for that replacement; I won't bore you with the details. The NRA fought it tooth and nail until the architects offered to carve out an exemption that would benefit the NRA alone. In return, the NRA agreed to discontinue their active opposition to the bill.

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby InspectorCallahan » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:24:06

I'm afraid I am still as lost as I was before.

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Re: NRA shoots gun owners in the back

Postby gunderwood » Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:08:08

gfost1 wrote:Howdy, Y'all,

Even if this bill never sees the light of day, those who want to muzzle
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the gun lobby may get their wish, thanks to the NRA and their decision to throw their brethren under the bus. Their short-sighted, self-centered action is a symptom of a long-standing problem in the community of pro-gun activists.

it is all about money. 4M members is big money, plus all of the other donations. The NRA has been under pressure from these grass roots groups because they are competing for the same ddonations and dues. The grass roots organizations have been getting results and the NRA has been looking bad; that cost money. This exemption would have made the NRA the only game in town come election time and that makes money.

Simple as that.
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