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If other traditional ways don't sway your audience when your not willing to negogiate try scaring the living hell out of them.. Imam Shama Lama who wants to build the mosque near ground zero recently stated in an interview that moving the mosque could cause a backlash of Muslim violence against the US. The part where he tries to be humble and say if he knew it would cause this he would have put it somewhere else is especially touching, Yeah RIght pass the shovel its getting deep around that guy.

Imam fears moving NYC mosque could inflame tension

NEW YORK – The imam behind a proposed Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero cautioned Wednesday that moving the facility could cause a violent backlash from Muslim extremists and endanger national security.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told CNN that the discourse surrounding the center has become so politicized that moving it could strengthen the ability of extremists abroad to recruit and wage attacks against Americans, including troops fighting in the Middle East.

"The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack," he said, but he added that he was open to the idea of moving the planned location of the center, currently two blocks north of the World Trade Center site.

"But if you don't do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world," he later said, predicting that the reaction could be more furious than the eruption of violence following the 2005 publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Opponents say the center, which would include a Sept. 11 memorial and a Muslim prayer space, should be moved farther away from where Islamic extremists destroyed the World Trade Center and killed nearly 2,800 people. Supporters say religious freedom should be protected.

Rauf, 61, has largely been absent since the debate over the center erupted earlier this year. He has been traveling abroad, including taking a State Department-funded 15-day trip to the Middle East to promote religious tolerance.

In the interview with CNN's Soledad O'Brien, his first since returning to the U.S. on Sunday, Rauf responded to a number of questions that have been raised about the project.

He said money to develop the center would be raised domestically for the most part.

"And we'll be very transparent on how we raise money," he said, adding that no funds would be accepted from sources linked to extremists.

Rauf said that, in retrospect, he might have chosen a different location for what he described as a multifaith community center.

"If I knew this would happen, if it would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn't have done it," he said.

Spoken like a true politician, Screw them, I'm tired of being PC correct and worrying about every little feeling out there. It's time we stood up and said "So what"

You can't fix stupid! But you can vote them out!

Let them erupt about it and bring it on. I would love to die if I had to killing people that think they can run our country and make American,s their slaves etc. I am on my way out anyway and I would not mind zipping into my gorilla suit and takeing a few hundred or a few thousand of them with me. Your trigger finger won't get tired when you see that it is wipeing out vermin and besides the gore spray on a head hit from a high velocity round can be very stimulating. I never thought that I would say something like that, but these people just bring up thing's in me that I thought I had burried and would not feel again. Yes, I have ghost's following me and these day's I would like to make more ghost's from these scumbags.
Semper Fi!
Bill

It's one thing to state their opinions but when threats ,veiled or openly occur thats crossed the line as far as I;m concerned,,To hear the MSM and Obama we're supposed t be "tolerant"while these lunatics crap all over us? Enough is enough,We need to show them that this nation was built on Freedoms and even if they don;t like it that;s Tough Luck. We can't allow them to hold us prisoner with the PC garbage that's strangling this country. Making his usual bailout speech , Obama says that "WE" need to be "TOLERANT" while these people can run loose and threaten at will.
Obama said;""If he's listening, I hope he understands that what he's proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans," Obama said. "That this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance."He seems to have forgotten that those freedoms and tolerances go both ways and people in this country are tired of being ignored and told how wrong they are to oppose this. For a President of this country to actually tell a citizen to not excercise their rights is just one more national embarrasment as we look continually weaker in the eyes of the world.

Paliden wrote:Spoken like a true politician, Screw them, I'm tired of being PC correct and worrying about every little feeling out there. It's time we stood up and said "So what"

You can't fix stupid! But you can vote them out!

You can vote Imam Rauf out? Upholding the Constitution is now being politically correct? Changing a majority in Congress, changes the Constitution's religious freedom proscriptions?

Actually I think your advice is perfect for Muslim Americans. Indeed they should not try to appease those who oppose them. Like you they should say if you don't like our religion, "So What"! Our right to worship in a location of our choosing that is IAW private property laws are the exact same as yours. When you are bullied by bigots and those who act like bigots to give up your religious freedoms, then and only then we might give up ours!
Gat6

Quote of the day: To paraphrase "Religious bigotry is as American as Apple Pie"

You can vote Imam Rauf out? Upholding the Constitution is now being politically correct? Changing a majority in Congress, changes the Constitution's religious freedom proscriptions?



Quote of the day: To paraphrase "Religious bigotry is as American as Apple Pie"[/quote]

I'm for religious freedom! I'm just not convinced this is religious as much as it is terrorist. There seems to be a fine line they draw here.
As far as voting them out, that is a blank statement meant for MOST of Congress!

VBshooter wrote:It's one thing to state their opinions but when threats ,veiled or openly occur thats crossed the line as far as I;m concerned,,To hear the MSM and Obama we're supposed t be "tolerant"while these lunatics crap all over us? Enough is enough,We need to show them that this nation was built on Freedoms and even if they don;t like it that;s Tough Luck. We can't allow them to hold us prisoner with the PC garbage that's strangling this country. Making his usual bailout speech , Obama says that "WE" need to be "TOLERANT" while these people can run loose and threaten at will.
Obama said;""If he's listening, I hope he understands that what he's proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans," Obama said. "That this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance."He seems to have forgotten that those freedoms and tolerances go both ways and people in this country are tired of being ignored and told how wrong they are to oppose this. For a President of this country to actually tell a citizen to not excercise their rights is just one more national embarrasment as we look continually weaker in the eyes of the world.

Your post contains an odd concept of freedom that is wholly and completely devoid of logic. You are free to state your opinion, but the President crosses the line when he expresses his? Huh? What concept of freedom is that? Did the President send the speech police to arrest you? The fact is TOLERATION is an American value. The right to PRIVATE PROPERTY and the right to use it as you see fit within the laws of your particular jurisdiction is also an American value. Freedom of Religion is also an American value.

The President is right and others are right. Not only do we need to be tolerant, we actually are for the most part. You can't point to a single nation on earth that has been as successful as we are when you consider that we are an amalgamation of everything under the sun. If anything toleration is one of the secrets of our success.

I might add that American toleration has been necessarily backed up by laws that, while insuring the intolerant are free to say as they wish, also insures that they are not free to do everything they wish!

Every President I can remember has used the bully pulpit to speak his mind on issues of the day. They are supposed to lead not follow. President Bush in numerous speeches post 9/11 called for tolerance of Muslims, describing Islam as “a faith based upon peace and love and compassion” and a religion committed to “morality and learning and tolerance.” If not us Americans, who do you think President Bush was talking to when he gave all those speeches about tolerating Muslims? Were you equally as outraged then, or is outrage reserved only for President Obama. Can you point to any President, any politician, or anyone else with a public forum who has not told us what they believe we ought to be doing, or thinking? Isn't that what you and I are doing in our respective posts?

Btw, excluding planned communities a whole nother animal, the next time you plan on doing something with or to your private property how about I get a vote on whether you should, or can do it. Am I right in assuming you will be sensitive to the feelings of those in your community as well as elsewhere before you act?

Gat6

gatlingun6 wrote:Quote of the day: To paraphrase "Religious bigotry is as American as Apple Pie"

Go try to build a Jewish synagogue in Saudi Arabia and let us know how that works out for you.

I wasn't aware there were any other types of synagogues.

Paliden wrote:You can vote Imam Rauf out? Upholding the Constitution is now being politically correct? Changing a majority in Congress, changes the Constitution's religious freedom proscriptions?



Quote of the day: To paraphrase "Religious bigotry is as American as Apple Pie"

I'm for religious freedom! I'm just not convinced this is religious as much as it is terrorist. There seems to be a fine line they draw here.
As far as voting them out, that is a blank statement meant for MOST of Congress![/quote]

Fair enough, so what would it take to convince you that the Islamic center, which is patterned after the YMCA and Jewish Community Centers, is not a terrorist undertaking. The thing I find disquieting about this, is you are asking to be convinced that the Center is not a terrorist undertaking when there is currently no evidence that it is. Essentially you are asking them to prove a negative. How can they do that?

I suppose you know that Imam Rauf has worked and continues to work as a consultant for the FBI and the State Department under both the Bush and Obama administrations.

As for MOST of Congress being voted out, that's not going to happen now or ever as long as political parties are in charge of Congressional District reapportionment. Take a close look at the boundaries of your current Congressional District. I defy you to find any geographical demarcation that make sense. There are 435 Representatives who can vote. The most anyone is projecting for incumbent losses is 40, that's less than 10%. As always 90 or more per cent of incumbents will be reelected. Unfortunately when the media sets an election year storyline "The year of the anti-incumbent" they keep running with it despite contrary facts.

Gat6

LFS wrote:

gatlingun6 wrote:Quote of the day: To paraphrase "Religious bigotry is as American as Apple Pie"

Go try to build a Jewish synagogue in Saudi Arabia and let us know how that works out for you.

Now why would I do that? I'm an American and I have a say in what Americans and America does, not Saudi Arabia. Or are you trying to say that religious bigotry is as normal as humus in Saudi Arabia? Either way what Saudi's do is irrelevant to the current discussion, or any discussion about American values. Btw that tactic is called switching the focus. Interesting that you bring up the Saudi's, you do know that Imam Rauf brand of Islam is different from the Saudis.


Gat6

Fair enough, so what would it take to convince you that the Islamic center, which is patterned after the YMCA and Jewish Community Centers, is not a terrorist undertaking. The thing I find disquieting about this, is you are asking to be convinced that the Center is not a terrorist undertaking when there is currently no evidence that it is. Essentially you are asking them to prove a negative. How can they do that?

Look, I've fought to protect all of our freedoms even if I disagree with some of them (even the tomato throwers and spiters)
I've seen the other side hide behind women, children and their religion and even terrorize and torture the locals to get their way. I've seen a 12 year old girl get blown up to get their way. So you ask what would it that. A HELL of a lot sir!

gatlingun6 wrote:Or are you trying to say that religious bigotry is as normal as humus in Saudi Arabia?

No, I'm trying to say you wouldn't recognize religious bigotry if it slapped you in the face.

gatlingun6 wrote:"Your post contains an odd concept of freedom that is wholly and completely devoid of logic. You are free to state your opinion, but the President crosses the line when he expresses his?"

That about sums it up there Scooter!

...and in other news:

Fla. minister cancels burning of Qurans on 9/11

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Sep 9 05:25 PM US/Eastern
By ANTONIO GONZALEZ
Associated Press Writer

GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) - The minister of a Florida church said he has canceled plans to burn copies of the Quran because the leader of a much-opposed plan to build an Islamic Center near ground zero has agreed to move its location. The agreement couldn't be immediately confirmed.

The Rev. Terry Jones said Thursday that Americans oppose the mosque being built at the location and that Muslims do not want the Quran burned. He said instead of his plan to burn the books on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11, he will be flying to New York to speak to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf about moving the mosque.

"We are, of course, now against any other group burning Qurans," Jones said during a news conference. We would right now ask no one to burn Qurans. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it."

President Barack Obama, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan and several Christian leaders had urged Jones to reconsider his plans to burn the Quran, Islam's holiest text that Muslims consider sacred. They said his actions would endanger U.S. soldiers and provide a strong recruitment tool for Islamic extremists. Jones' protest also drew criticism from religious and political leaders from across the Muslim world.

Jones said Imam Muhammad Musri of the Islamic Society of Central Florida told him that officials would guarantee that the mosque would be moved.

"I asked him three times, and I have witnesses," Jones said. "If it's not moved, then I think Islam is a very poor example of religion. I think that would be very pitiful. I do not expect that."

Musri thanked Jones and his church members "for making the decision today to defuse the situation and bring to a positive end what has become the world over a spectacle that no one would benefit from except extremists and terrorists" who would use it to recruit future radicals.

Update: Koran burning might still be on after all?. This will be one to watch.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/09/b ... ro-mosque/

They, Burn an American Flag, we burn the Quran. They blow up a roadside bomb and kill 2 of ours, we bomb one of their mosques during prayer time. Fight fire with fire. The Old Testament says "An eye for an eye." It's all these fanatics understand. Don't like it, move somewhere else where there's free health care and many more "freedoms". I'm tired of seeing my service (and the hard life my family endured because of it) belittled by the sissy POTUS and the friggin liberals I spent 22 years defending.

Please just somebody man up and do something. Hell, even if it's wrong (and I hate that statement)

DWinter wrote:They, Burn an American Flag, we burn the Quran. They blow up a roadside bomb and kill 2 of ours, we bomb one of their mosques during prayer time. Fight fire with fire. The Old Testament says "An eye for an eye." It's all these fanatics understand. Don't like it, move somewhere else where there's free health care and many more "freedoms". I'm tired of seeing my service (and the hard life my family endured because of it) belittled by the sissy POTUS and the friggin liberals I spent 22 years defending.

Please just somebody man up and do something. Hell, even if it's wrong (and I hate that statement)

I've always wanted to see someone try my idea: Drop thousands of pigs from planes over Mecca.

OakRidgeStars wrote:Update: Koran burning might still be on after all?. This will be one to watch.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/09/b ... ro-mosque/

According to Fox news the preacher called it off. Just because he did doesn't mean Barnes and Noble won't have a run on kurans saturday for a barn fire. You know it's not that all muslims are terriosts, it just seems all terriosts are muslim.

Can someone mapquest me to the closest Barnes & Noble please.