Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Rumors have been circulating about plans being made to build re-education camps where liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR races.

Thats horrifying; why not just lobotomize them? Same effect, just cheaper.

Being forced to drink what I assume piss tastes like and watching cars go in circles for hours really is a fate worse than death.

Kreutz wrote:

Rumors have been circulating about plans being made to build re-education camps where liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR races.

I'll claim to be a liberal for that...

CowboyT wrote:

Kreutz wrote:

No, the proper way to stop the torrent of illegal immigration is to go after the sources of income--the employers. Make sure that strong economic incentive to border-jump isn't there in the first place.

You mean the people with the $ and connections to avoid any real consequences for their actions and never receive anything but a slap on the wrist from our "unbiased" justice system?

Yes, those people. It's called "vote out the thieves currently in office and vote in actual Constitutionalists." That's our responsibility as a people. At this moment, that means voting for other than either Democrats or Republicans.

Will those of you reading this, who want ACTUAL change in policy for the better, join me in that voting action? Or will you just vote for "more o' the same" again?

I'm a little late to the table on this one - but Cowboy, you're spot on with this one. If WE The People hadn't hired the illegals in the first place, this never would have happened. 10 millions of them here??? Come on America...

Palladin wrote:I'm a little late to the table on this one - but Cowboy, you're spot on with this one. If WE The People hadn't hired the illegals in the first place, this never would have happened. 10 millions of them here??? Come on America...

Yes, but if the government hadn't been debasing the currency so much there wouldn't have been so much pressure to prevent prices from rising so fast so the illegal labor wouldn't have been hired. I'm with TJ on this one, nothing plagues this country like the lack of understanding concerning money and credit.

just post signs about the Chupacabra farms on the border....that'll do it.

http://www.skepdic.com/chupa.html

ProShooter wrote:

CowboyT wrote:Ha, ha, fellas.

Now, let's get serious with this question. .

I was being serious.

Put a BP agent every 100 yards on the fence with an M60. Find a President with a set of stones. Make an announcement to the Mexican (et al) people.

"If you attempt to enter the country illegally by an unlawful border crossing, you will be fired upon". Period.

I'm all for people being lawfully admitted to the US like my ancestors did. Do it the right way and reap the rewards of US citizenship. Sneak in, and you will be dealt with accordingly.

+1,000 for reading my mind If they start up a volunteer service for gunners I am in.

ProShooter wrote:

CowboyT wrote:Ha, ha, fellas.

Now, let's get serious with this question. .

I was being serious.

Put a BP agent every 100 yards on the fence with an M60. Find a President with a set of stones. Make an announcement to the Mexican (et al) people.

"If you attempt to enter the country illegally by an unlawful border crossing, you will be fired upon". Period.

I'm all for people being lawfully admitted to the US like my ancestors did. Do it the right way and reap the rewards of US citizenship. Sneak in, and you will be dealt with accordingly.

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I'm with Cowboy T on this one, as long as there is a job here in the U.S. we will never completely stem the flow of illegal immigrants.

But for a little fun let's look at your proposal... OK I know you're kidding but humor me. Let's do the math Our Southern border is 3141 KM long. Three shifts mean of a current force of 20,000 on the Southern border you're going to take half approx 10,000 for your scheme of 1 per KM. But wait, since there are all sorts of places where visibility is less than 1KM, who knows how large this force will be?

The old East German state with a border of 1,393 KM employed 50,000 border patrolmen, a triple fence over every inch, guard towers within sight of ea other, dog runs to cover unobserved terrain, a 5 KM exclusion zone, ant-tank ditches, anti-personnel mines, automatic enfilading fire machineguns, and a Stasi and informant system so large that a standing joke was in any group of 5 East Germans, at least one was invariably a government informant. With this illegal border crossing slowed to a trickle. Is this what we want a virtual police state?

That leaves less than 10,000 to handle 250 million legal crossings annually at 42 crossing points, that's over 20 million monthly and that's not including vehicles or rail cars. It's the most heavily trafficked border on the planet. Hell considering the cost it would be cheaper to just pay them to stay in Mexico. Surely they would understand a little bribe. Btw it's still the case that approx 40% of illegals come here legally and over stay their welcome.

Btw there are illegals who tell us that their numbers grow the harder we make it to illegally cross. In the good ole days most didn't stay permanently. Now that it's more difficult and more expensive than ever to get here, once here all thoughts of going back and forth is gone. So they seek to bring the family here as well.

I'm discounting killing anyone for a misdemeanor, which is what it is when you cross our border without first presenting yourself to our border officials.

Cowboy T is right, shut off the reason they come, and simple enough they won't come, A $150K fine per incident and criminal prosecution would shut down the reason employers hire illegals in a hurry.

But do understand that such a system is a dagger aimed at the underground economy since it would be illegal to pay regular employees under the table. That's fine by me since such payments avoid taxes, and almost always involve paying less than what honest above board American businesses are paying in wages.

Gat6

*sigh* I must agree with Gat6 on this one. Simply too much border and too many illegals...not enough time. Too expensive to build a fence...so, I say just set up arrays of solar powered lasers. Let em zap anything that comes within 1000 yards of the border. Regarding the bean bags being issued to BP agents...send all them beans to mexico as a consolation prize...