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He thinks it is legal...but it clearly is not. Walk away or try and buy it cheap enough to make it legal. What would you do?

What make it illegal according to you?

Jakeiscrazy wrote:What make it illegal according to you?

This.

If it's a Chinese Type 63, you ain't making it legal.

Jakeiscrazy wrote:What make it illegal according to you?

Not "according to me". According to the ATF. It is NOT an D or M model. And it has a duckbill detachable magazine made in another country. No SKS were ever imported with a duckbill detachable magazine which automatically makes it illegal. It would have to have several parts replaced to make it legal which would drive up the cost. It frustrates me that the dealer is convinced it is legal. I guess I had better just leave it alone. Let someone else buy it and take their chances or convert it. It is a really nice piece with a screw in barrel and a milled receiver.

I had to replace the stock on my SKS as the original wood one was cracked badly and that is when i found out all about converting the SKS over to ATF standards. I replace a lot more items then required and basicly gave the gun a complet overhaul with new bolt, piston, springs, firing pin, top cover, and stock slong with many other little things. The most important thing to remember is that on every part that you replace make sure that it has stamped "Made in USA" on it. Depending on the model you may only have to replace 4 or 5 items and they are all quite available on the internet. The hardest part that I had to replace was after my original firing pin broke. As it was the original and had never been removed (at least by me) it was dificult to get it out. I soaked the whole bolt assembly down concentrating on the retaining pin with penatrating spray and let it sit for a couple of days and then made a jig out of hardwood for the bolt to sit in so the pin would fall through and had to use a punch and a 3lb hammer to get the retaining pin out, but that was the hardest part of the conversion.

If you do by it and live in the NOVA area and want to convert it over give me a yell and i will be glad to help you out. I think that i have a post here of my finished product if not I can post a photo.

Vern

Vern...thanks for the kind offer. Dont know if I could buy it cheap enought to justify the parts cost. I have a couple of really nice Russians and was looking at this one as a shooter.

If you get a good price for it I say grab it and make it ATF Compliant. The SKS is a great rifle. It is not hard to put it back to original if the magazine is all that is wrong with it.

I had to replace the stock on my SKS as the original wood one was cracked badly and that is when I found out all about converting the SKS over to ATF standards. I replaced a lot more items then required and basically gave the gun a complete overhaul with new bolt, piston, springs, firing pin, top cover, and stock along with many other little things. The most important thing to remember is that on every part that you replace make sure that it has stamped "Made in USA" on it. Depending on the model you may only have to replace 4 or 5 items and they are all quite available on the internet. The hardest part that I had to replace was after my original firing pin broke. As it was the original and had never been removed (at least by me) it was difficult to get it out. I soaked the whole bolt assembly down concentrating on the retaining pin with penetrating spray and let it sit for a couple of days and then made a jig out of hardwood for the bolt to sit in so the pin would fall through and had to use a punch and a 3lb hammer to get the retaining pin out, but that was the hardest part of the conversion.

Here are a couple of links for you:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=72
http://www.sksman.com/part/parts3.php
http://www.sksman.com/acces/SKS%20magazines.php
https://www.buymilsurp.com/magazine-ori ... p-274.html


If you do buy it and live in the NOVA area and want to convert it over give me a yell and I will be glad to help you out. I think that I have a post here of my finished product if not I can post a photo.

Vern

Rich wrote:

Jakeiscrazy wrote:What make it illegal according to you?

Not "according to me". According to the ATF. It is NOT an D or M model. And it has a duckbill detachable magazine made in another country. No SKS were ever imported with a duckbill detachable magazine which automatically makes it illegal. It would have to have several parts replaced to make it legal which would drive up the cost. It frustrates me that the dealer is convinced it is legal. I guess I had better just leave it alone. Let someone else buy it and take their chances or convert it. It is a really nice piece with a screw in barrel and a milled receiver.

O ok just asking because you never know what some people think is illegal. You could always bring in a printout of the law and try and talk him down.

You want to knowingly purchase an illegal firearm and be in possession of an illegal firearm until some future date when you may or may not successfully make it legal? That should answer your question right there.

Anyone on this site ever had a gun seized because of a non-compliance issue? There are a million different opinion on all these rules (which ATF changes on its whim), and I'm wondering if anyone has ever actually had a problem with federal law enforcement. Not a friend of a friend or someone you heard about --- but has anyone personally ever been questioned about a firearm? I'm just curious....

Nope, not me. But the fact that I have a 03 FFL means that it is always a possibility. The ATF could drop in and look at my bound book or gun safe any old time they felt like it.

However, for an average Joe that doesn't have a C&R license, I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where this cold happen. Unless that same Joe were to sell a less-than-legally modified gun to a member of law enforcement, or someone with a axe to grind with the seller.

The bottom line is that anything can happen. That, and I'm way too pretty to go to prison

gunderwood wrote:You want to knowingly purchase an illegal firearm and be in possession of an illegal firearm until some future date when you may or may not successfully make it legal? That should answer your question right there.

This.

I can't even believe that this is a serious question, and this site doesn't need any bad press suggesting that someone wants to buy an illegal firearm.....sorry. Just my .02.

OakRidgeStars wrote:Nope, not me. But the fact that I have a 03 FFL means that it is always a possibility. The ATF could drop in and look at my bound book or gun safe any old time they felt like it.

Hold up, as a C&R licensee you have a big advantage over other FFLs with inspections: you are in no way obligated to allow ATF into your premises (home). You can if you want, but if they want to see your books or your guns, you can have it done down at their office. The choice is yours and yours alone.

Know your rights, don't let them push you around.

Thanks Diomed. I guess I need to read up on all the particulars of having a C&R license.

gunderwood wrote:You want to knowingly purchase an illegal firearm and be in possession of an illegal firearm until some future date when you may or may not successfully make it legal? That should answer your question right there.

Good point...have already decided not to purchase it. Other good points on here as well. Did not intend to draw any unwanted attention to the site.

ProShooter wrote:

gunderwood wrote:You want to knowingly purchase an illegal firearm and be in possession of an illegal firearm until some future date when you may or may not successfully make it legal? That should answer your question right there.

This.

I can't even believe that this is a serious question, and this site doesn't need any bad press suggesting that someone wants to buy an illegal firearm.....sorry. Just my .02.

I had no intention of buying an illegal firearm. If I had made the purchase the illegal parts would have been removed and thrown in the trash can at the dealers by the dealer. It was a serious question asked out of concern.

In the words of my father and several instructors I've had in the past, "don't be an idiot". Nuff said!

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I'm still trying to understand exactly what may be illegal about this SKS.

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rromeo wrote:I'm still trying to understand exactly what may be illegal about this SKS.

922(r) violation.