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911 IS A JOKE
The people of Detroit are taking no prisoners.Justifiable homicide in the city shot up 79 percent…

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I have lived in the Big D and I don't blame them a bit... One nasty ass craphole to be in///

Change we can believe in?

3,000 police officers is not a small force for a city of 700,000.

The last time Brown, 73, called the Detroit police, they didn’t show up until the next day. So she applied for a permit to carry a handgun and says she’s prepared to use it against the young thugs who have taken over her neighborhood, burglarizing entire blocks, opening fire at will and terrorizing the elderly with impunity.

“I don’t intend to be one of their victims,” said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. “I’m planning on taking one out.”

Why even apply for a permit when the entire judicial system is obviously so inept and corrupt? Still though, I like her attitude!

SHMIV wrote:

joeshmo wrote:3,000 police officers is not a small force for a city of 700,000.

That's one officer for 233.3 citizens. The national average, according to Project America, is 1 officer per 434.78 (or 2.3 per 1000).

Cite: http://www.project.org/info.php?recordID=33

By the way, I just did a Google search; I've never heard of Project America before about 5 minutes ago, but there it is, anyway.

It is a lot of police for a city not to mention due to the fact the police are "unable to cope" with crime you have close to 800 federal agents also in the city and surrounding counties investigating more serious crimes. Doubt the city police are overwhelmed but rather disorganzed at every level. That's detroit for ya!!!

It's been my experience in nearly 30 years of "government" that incompetence is usually the answer to the "why" questions.

-911, responds in minutes, when seconds count!

A bit off topic but when big business runs out of MI (5th most unfriendly state to do business in) everyone on a local level scratches thier head why unemployment is so high and the crime rate skyrockets.

Good data you pulled up. Crimal behavior is also also a factor. The dc police depatment has 3800 officers with a population 600,000k residents and countless other law enforcement agencies and it is a mess.

Let me relate this "police per citizen" issue back to my home town in SW VA:

As stated, 3,000 cops for 700,000 citizens, at 1 cop per 233.3 citizens certainly is over the national average of 1 cop per 434.78 citizens. So Detroit has more cops and less law and order. Big surprise? Not really.

My home town, about 15-20 years ago before the Walmart came to town, had something like 4,400 inhabitants and 7 cops, or about 1 cop per 628.6 citizens. It was a typical small town; the cops we had had very little to do and everybody liked it that way. Then came Walmart (I don't really know if there is a causative link; except that they were the source of a lot of tax revenues that SOMEBODY had to spend) and also a police chief who chased grants and local funding to build up his kingdom. And also about that time, we got a mayor who had spent his entire working life as a teacher and school administrator, and who therefore saw growth in government as progress. About 4-6 years ago, we had a population of 3,900 and 27 cops; which comes out to only 144.44 citizens per cop. Citizens were and still are disgruntled because they feel they are over-policed. Customers are telling downtown merchants they won't shop downtown for fear of traffic stops and parking tickets. And figures published by the State of Virginia show the City's expenditure for police is 150% of the average for cities in this state. We have more crime. What changed? I can think of three things: Liquor by the drink, the people and the cops. I don't think liquor by the drink made any difference except that it gave all those cops something to do: sit outside the town's 2 places that serve booze and wait for folks to leave. It all comes down to people and the standards they keep.

SHMIV wrote:I suppose that it's worth mentioning that every citizen in that town had access to a loaded gun, or ten, at any given point in time. That certainly helps to keep each other in check.

Wait, are you telling me that there were a lot of guns in that town but not bodies laying all over the ground from the rampant gun violence? <GASP!>

try living with one cop for every 156 citizens. Oh, and the land area of the town was 0.61 square miles.

None of that is an exaggeration btw, thats all accurate according to city data.

And they were hiring more cops.

Police states are no fun. I lived in one for the worst 18 months of my life.

Obama would rather have us like England with state sponsored welfare thugs burning down entire city blocks and holding an entire people hostage.

SHMIV wrote:You neglected to mention the number of residents in that 0.61 square mile. I guess that it may not be relevant; just trying to see the whole picture.

I've never actually experienced anything close to a police state, but I'm pretty certain that I don't want to, either.

9600-ish.

Still a very high ratio of cops to people. And they were corrupt as all hell.