Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

[OakRidgeStars]

Read this article and tell me what you make of it. Where else would you find a gun online other than websites like this one, or sites like VaGunTrader?.

Is this just an end-run around the old and busted "gun show loophole" myth?.

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/12/coaliti ... olated-law

[Kreutz]

Read this article and tell me what you make of it. Where else would you find a gun online other than websites like this one, or sites like VaGunTrader?.

Is this just an end-run around the old and busted "gun show loophole" myth?.

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/12/coaliti ... olated-law

NYCPD has to buy its guns and coke to resell in NYC from somewhere.

[VBshooter]

Coming from that tool..Bloomberg it is not surprising... He apparently thinks we should all bow to his wisdom and allow the GuvMint and its jackass contributors to control our every action... Sorry Mikey , this ain;t NY and if I remember correctly you;ve been told to stay the hell out of VA, Sell away VA and screw that jackass!!

[Kreutz]

He be crippin 4 life son.

[SHMIV]

Sounds like misinformation and intentionally omitted, yet important, details to me.

I'd advise ignoring this silliness, but when one hears something often enough, what they hear is assumed to be true. I find this to be worrisome.

[gunderwood]

How many of the five were on Boomberg's payroll...

[Reverenddel]

An easy solution for websites? You cannot view the gun sales till a certain amount of VALID post.

An easy solution for individuals? Don't sell to anyone that does not possess a CHP, VCDL Card, and an NRA card.... That right there? Is about $100+ bucks worth of verification.

Just my opinion mind you... but if we don't self-regulate? Those (Expletive)-holes in D.C. WILL!

[totes6]

An easy solution for websites? You cannot view the gun sales till a certain amount of VALID post.

An easy solution for individuals? Don't sell to anyone that does not possess a CHP, VCDL Card, and an NRA card.... That right there? Is about $100+ bucks worth of verification.

Just my opinion mind you... but if we don't self-regulate? Those (Expletive)-holes in D.C. WILL!

Hmmm, absolutely refuse to give any money to NRA. I know people who refuse to obtain a CHP since open carry is completely legal and they don't want to ask "permission" of the government for a right already written into both the US and VA Constitutions. And what does having a VCDL Card have to do with being able to "legally" purchase firearms? Same question for a NRA card if you do choose to give them money. If those are the standards you deem that a person needs to meet for you to sell a firearm to, then that is your choice. But just like I can choose to avoid spending money at a business that is anti-gun I can choose not to do business with you.

Much like when VAguntrader changed their policy of Law Enforcement involvement. They openly state that they will provide identification of members to a LEO. They do not even require a warrant. I do not ask them to break the law, only simply follow it, ie follow a court ordered warrant to provided records/identification. I no longer do business with that site and I no longer recommend it to my friends and coworkers.

[Jakeiscrazy]

So they broke the law? Enforce the law! No need to create a new law just because the old one isn't being enforced. Typical politicians................

[SHMIV]

So they broke the law? Enforce the law! No need to create a new law just because the old one isn't being enforced. Typical politicians................

That's it, right there.

It's been a few hours since I read that completely biased article. Was an actual law even broken?

[OakRidgeStars]

Maybe....

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... sum+HB2653

But only if the individuals that were targeted are licensed dealers. Otherwise, it's just a "good faith" transaction between VA residents.

[gunderwood]

So they broke the law? Enforce the law! No need to create a new law just because the old one isn't being enforced. Typical politicians................

That's it, right there.

It's been a few hours since I read that completely biased article. Was an actual law even broken?

Yes, it seems that Boomberg had NYC cops pose as VA residents for the purpose of violating not only VA State firearm laws regarding private transactions, but unknown to anyone but Bloomberg's thugs, Federal law regarding interstate transfers as well.

So they broke the law? Enforce the law! No need to create a new law just because the old one isn't being enforced. Typical politicians................

Ah, but they technically didn't do the transaction...they just committed conspiracy to break the law (Bloomberg for both Federal and State). If they actually went through with the transaction the NYC cops would be violating Federal law and be subject to prosecution, which is why they never actually complete the transaction.

[lonestarag]

Bloomberg's goons tried to buy guns online (perfectly legit if done properly) after claiming to the sellers that they "probably wouldn't pass a background check." That's the hook to federal law. You or I (or FFLs) cannot sell a firearm to anyone we suspect of not being able to pass a NICS check. This should be a huge red flag for all of us. If you hear a potential buyer say something about problems with the NICS check, then stop the sale and walk away. You'll be in the clear if you follow this rule of thumb.

[lonestarag]

So they broke the law? Enforce the law! No need to create a new law just because the old one isn't being enforced. Typical politicians................

That's it, right there.

It's been a few hours since I read that completely biased article. Was an actual law even broken?

Yes, it seems that Boomberg had NYC cops pose as VA residents for the purpose of violating not only VA State firearm laws regarding private transactions, but unknown to anyone but Bloomberg's thugs, Federal law regarding interstate transfers as well.

So they broke the law? Enforce the law! No need to create a new law just because the old one isn't being enforced. Typical politicians................

Ah, but they technically didn't do the transaction...they just committed conspiracy to break the law (Bloomberg for both Federal and State). If they actually went through with the transaction the NYC cops would be violating Federal law and be subject to prosecution, which is why they never actually complete the transaction.

This is inaccurate. They did complete transactions and buy a handful of guns, including at least 5 in Virginia (http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/dec/15/i ... r-1547749/)

If you sell online, protect yourself by not selling to people who mention they might not pass background checks. NYPD and ATF scour the sites constantly - this one included. Know how to protect yourself.

[VBshooter]

I doubt anything Ol Bloomberg has to say as he is famous for getting his facts twisted,,, ie:: says Craigslist sells guns??NOT/ The boys over at Guns america have written a very good rebuttal to his crappola.. http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/bloomberg-internet-gun-sting/ says it all I think// Like I said earlier...Sell ON and be free Virginia ,,,,,, Mike Bloomberg can go Piss uP a Rope or drop dead ,,,the latter prefered!

[Chasbo00]

My theory is that the anti-gun crowd has determined that they are not likely to get background checks required at gun shows only (close the "gun show loophole"). Any legislation limited to only a specific venue and location such as a gun show is subject to multiple legal challenges, and I suspect most legislatures would balk at passing such a law. I think Bloomberg and the anti-gun crowd are now going for the larger prize - required background checks for ALL private gun sales.

[OakRidgeStars]

I think Bloomberg and the anti-gun crowd are now going for the larger prize - required background checks for ALL private gun sales.

Bingo!. Pickup your prize at the front desk

[gunderwood]

This is inaccurate. They did complete transactions and buy a handful of guns, including at least 5 in Virginia (http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/dec/15/i ... r-1547749/)

If you sell online, protect yourself by not selling to people who mention they might not pass background checks. NYPD and ATF scour the sites constantly - this one included. Know how to protect yourself.

The article says that, but their press release consistently uses other language, except in one part, but doesn't say VA. The videos only show three cases and in Ohio and Kentucky, not VA. VA put in a law to protect dealers from him last time and threated his agents with prosecution, so it would be risky to push his luck further in this state. Do you have a source from MAIG which says they bought guns in VA rather than just agreed to purchase them? I haven't seen that and while Bloomberg may be an anti-gun, he's no fool.

...Videos of illegal sales, including footage of the investigator meeting sellers and exchanging cash for weapons, and a report on online gun sales are available at http://www.nyc.gov/pointclickfire...

A clear majority of the sellers – 77 of 125 the City examined – failed the integrity test by agreeing to sell to a purchaser who said he couldn’t pass a background check.

Unlicensed sellers on Craigslist failed the integrity test at the highest rate, despite the fact that the site claims to prohibit the listing of weapons on its server. The failure rates for sellers on the five websites where investigators conducted more than 8 integrity tests were:

Craigslist.com: 82 percent of the time, the seller who listed on the site agreed to an illegal sale
Glocktalk.com: 78 percent
Gunlistings.org: 77 percent
KSL.com: 67 percent
Armslist.com: 54 percent

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org ... 1-11.shtml

It seems that Bloomberg at least claims to have bought a few firearms in states not likely to push the issue, but worded the press release carefully so as not to imply that they did in VA which would be testing our states threats to prosecute them.

[CCFan]

...Videos of illegal sales, including footage of the investigator meeting sellers and exchanging cash for weapons, and a report on online gun sales are available at http://www.nyc.gov/pointclickfire...

A clear majority of the sellers – 77 of 125 the City examined – failed the integrity test by agreeing to sell to a purchaser who said he couldn’t pass a background check.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org ... 1-11.shtml

It seems that Bloomberg at least claims to have bought a few firearms in states not likely to push the issue, but worded the press release carefully so as not to imply that they did in VA which would be testing our states threats to prosecute them.

Ditto.... The "integrity test" smells - who's to say they didn't "agree to sell" just to turn around and bust them??

[VBshooter]

That 81% at Craigslist is bogus,,, You can't sell guns on Craigslist.