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There are allowing the Garands but not the Carbines. I would prefer the carbine but there all pissy of the "hi cap" ability.

And I just picked up some 30.06 RCBS reloading dies...for a gun that I don't own. Hmm. Karma telling me something?

BTW there is know what this is going to be the price.

They currently sell for around $220, according to another defense ministry official.

I wonder just what kind of condition they are in? Willing to bet a lot of them barely qualify as a parts gun and the ones that are half decent will have a price tagged on them ..That's if they even get over here,,,,

If they used cosmoline, they are probably as good as new. Once you clean all the cosmoline out that is.

If I can snag one, I'll have to dust off the old steel trash can cosmo melter that's gathering dust in the garage

I just don;t get a warm fuzzy about them being in good condition... I may be wrong , but if they sat anywhere in that Korean environment without the cosmo or similar they will make good door stops if you can get the pits out of the rust and loosen up the parts,,,Hope I;m wrong, would like a few of them myself.... Safes looking a little empty...

I'm not sure I'd worry so much about rust, IIRC the Blue Sky guns were more often cleaned to death than neglected to death. The Koreans love to clean their guns, especially by vigorously running jointed cleaning rods up and down and all over the bore ... and muzzle.

Diomed wrote:I'm not sure I'd worry so much about rust, IIRC the Blue Sky guns were more often cleaned to death than neglected to death. The Koreans love to clean their guns, especially by vigorously running jointed cleaning rods up and down and all over the bore ... and muzzle.

How much of that claim( cleaning from the muzzle\scratching the barrel with a rod) is really true? Exactly how much of a difference in accuracy are you likely to see?

In the case of a firearm thats owned for its collector value and not used to defend yourself everyday like an M16 or such it wouldn;t be that important as long as the thing shot straight and the bore isn;t gouged up.

Diomed wrote:I'm not sure I'd worry so much about rust, IIRC the Blue Sky guns were more often cleaned to death than neglected to death. The Koreans love to clean their guns, especially by vigorously running jointed cleaning rods up and down and all over the bore ... and muzzle.

IIRC, the Blue Sky guns were problematic not from over-cleaning, but rather from 1) being Frankenrifles at a period of time when correct rifles were available and getting a mix-master wasn't as expected as it is now, and 2) they really whanged the heck of the barrel up by the muzzle when they put re-import markings on them. The stamps were large and DEEP, and many folks suspected that the barrels were affected enough to cause fliers. I've seen one Blue Sky rifle and the imprint was not light nor shallow. Finally, there was some political intrigue that followed the whole Blue Sky saga, with Congressional subpoenas, aircraft accidents killing folks under subpoena, all the usual "you can't make this up" drama.

Jakeiscrazy wrote:How much of that claim( cleaning from the muzzle\scratching the barrel with a rod) is really true? Exactly how much of a difference in accuracy are you likely to see?

As you probably know, it's not scratching the inside of the barrel that kills accuracy as much as banging up the crown of the muzzle. The old GI screw-together STEEL rods sometimes had ledges at the joints that could clobber a crown and make a nick the last thing a bullet "felt" as it left the barrel. IF you are careful, you can clean a barrel with a GI cleaning rod, but if you're in a hurry or careless, you can take a few thousand rounds worth of accuracy off a barrel pretty fast. That's why most shooters have gone to the single piece vinyl coated cleaning rods.

Latest CMP newsletter clarified CMP will not be involved in import/sales of these M-1's. YMMV.


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Jakeiscrazy wrote:How much of that claim( cleaning from the muzzle\scratching the barrel with a rod) is really true? Exactly how much of a difference in accuracy are you likely to see?

BW1911 covers the muzzle damage claim pretty well. If you're using a jointed cleaning rod and no muzzle guide, like the Koreans, you've got to be extremely careful not to damage the crown. Most troopies, especially draftees and reservists like the Koreans who used those rifles, are not very careful about things like that.

It's an issue with all older milsurp rifles. Why else would a rifle be counterbored? Whole types of rifles got reputations for being inaccurate back in the '50s and '60s due to people not realizing they were using abused guns.

Diomed wrote:

Jakeiscrazy wrote:How much of that claim( cleaning from the muzzle\scratching the barrel with a rod) is really true? Exactly how much of a difference in accuracy are you likely to see?

BW1911 covers the muzzle damage claim pretty well. If you're using a jointed cleaning rod and no muzzle guide, like the Koreans, you've got to be extremely careful not to damage the crown. Most troopies, especially draftees and reservists like the Koreans who used those rifles, are not very careful about things like that.

It's an issue with all older milsurp rifles. Why else would a rifle be counterbored? Whole types of rifles got reputations for being inaccurate back in the '50s and '60s due to people not realizing they were using abused guns.

Thanks for the info guys. Most of the niches and stuff could be fixed with a recrowning right? How about doing something like this. Not going for match grade just shootable.

I only remember seeing a couple of the blue sky imported guns the last time around and they were pretty ragged and the price wasn't low enough to match the condition.

I'll stick with the CMP M1 Garands.

Jakeiscrazy wrote:Thanks for the info guys. Most of the niches and stuff could be fixed with a recrowning right? How about doing something like this. Not going for match grade just shootable.

Recrowning will fix light damage, though for most gunsmiths "recrowning" will probably get the barrel cut back some, which is not really preferable for a Garand. A light touch-up is the way to go if you're not going to go into something for more serious muzzle wear; then you're looking at either counterboring (unusual for American service rifles) or just replacing the barrel. If you're looking for a shooter, a new barrel is just as well on a Garand, it's not like they were originally chrome-lined or anything - the new commercial barrel will be equal to or better than the original.

From the CMP Sales Newsletter - January 23

GARANDS FROM KOREA: Once again our phone lines and email boxes are flooded with requests for information on the purchase of M1 Garands from Korea. The Korea Times reported last week that the U.S. Government had approved Korea's request to sell 86,000 M1 Garands to U.S. importers. CMP is not a firearms importer and if these rifles are sold to U.S. importers, they will not come to the CMP or be sold by the CMP. We will not have any information on the sale of these rifles.

Thank you for your continued support.

Orest Michaels
Chief Operating Officer