1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

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1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby 2k05gt » Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:42:00

After a long search for a 43 I finally found one..

1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

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Here is a picture with my Mosin Nagant 91/30
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A shot with all my Ruskie Rifles
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1943 Mosin Nagant 91/30
1943 Tokarev Tula SVT 40
1956 SKS
Mosin Nagant 1944 M44 Carbine
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1945 M1 Garand Springfield
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Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby MarcSpaz » Sat, 15 Aug 2015 00:24:01

Nice! That is a great score. The collection has really come together too.


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Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby 2k05gt » Sat, 15 Aug 2015 01:28:26

I still need the following

GEWEHR 41 (German)
Lee–Enfield Mk.III (British)
Type 38 rifle (Japan)
Type 44 carbine (Japan)
Type 99 rifle (Japan)

Unfortunately I paid a 1000.00 bucks for the SVT 40.. If I lived in Canada, 400.00 all day long..

The importation ban dates from 1996, IIRC and was signed by Clinton. It details small arms and calibers allowed to be imported and those that are not. Among the banned items (those not listed on the agreement are considered "banned"), SVD's, 7.62 x 25 ammo, SVT's, etc. The agreement covers not only Russian guns, but those produced in the former Soviet Union, so all the former Soviet states may have SVT's, but they are banned under this agreement too.

"SUMMARY: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is
announcing (1) that it will remove the Russian Federation from the list
of countries from which defense articles and defense services may not
be imported and (2) implementation of restrictions on the importation
of certain firearms and ammunition located or manufactured in the
Russian Federation or previously manufactured in the Soviet Union in
accordance with an agreement between the United States and the Russian
Federation and the guidance of the Secretary of State regarding matters
affecting world peace and the external security and foreign policy of
the United States as expressed in a letter dated April 5, 1996."

Further...
"(2) ATF will approve applications to import defense articles and
defense services from Russia in accordance with the guidance contained
in the April 5, 1996, letter from the Department of State. Consistent
with that letter, only firearms listed in Annex A of the Agreement will
be approved for importation from Russia. Surplus military curio or
relic firearms manufactured or located in Russia or previously
manufactured in the Soviet Union will not be approved for importation
under 27 CFR 47.52(d) unless the firearms are listed in Annex A of the
Agreement. Applications to import from Russia ammunition listed in
Annex B will not be approved.
(3) ATF will not approve applications to import from any country or
territory firearms and ammunition manufactured in Russia or previously
manufactured in the Soviet Union that would be inconsistent with the
the Agreement."

Annex A

Firearms Permitted to Be Imported into the United States from the
Russian Federation

Pistols/Revolvers

1. German Model P08 Pistol
2. IZH 34M, .22 caliber Target Pistol
3. IZH 35M, .22 caliber Target Pistol
4. Mauser Model 1896 Pistol
5. MC-57-1 Pistol
6. MC-1-5 Pistol
7. Polish Vis Model 35 Pistol
8. Soviet Nagant Revolver
9. TOZ 35, .22 caliber Target Pistol

Rifles

1. BARS-4 Bolt Action Carbine
2. Biathlon Target Rifle, .22LR caliber
3. British Enfield Rifle
4. CM2, .22 caliber Target Rifle (also known as SM2,
.22 caliber)
5. German Model 98K Rifle
6. German Model G41 Rifle
7. German Model G43 Rifle
8. IZH-94
9. LOS-7 Bolt Action Rifle
10. MC-7-07
11. MC-18-3
12. MC-19-07
13. MC-105-01
14. MC-112-02
15. MC-113-02
16. MC-115-1
17. MC-125/127
18. MC-126
19. MC-128
20. Saiga Rifle
21. Soviet Model 38 Carbine
22. Soviet Model 44 Carbine
23. Soviet Model 91/30 Rifle
24. TOZ 18, .22 caliber Bolt Action Rifle
25. TOZ 55
26. TOZ 78
27. Ural Target Rifle, .22LR caliber
28. VEPR Rifle
29. Winchester Model 1895, Russian Model Rifle

Annex B

Ammunition Prohibited from Being Imported into the United States
from the Russian Federation

1. 7.62X25mm caliber (also known as 7.63X25mm caliber or .30
Mauser)

Not on that list? Can't be imported.

Second, I've heard the "5-year" rule touted for quite some time, and I've repeated it myself, but the way I'm reading the agreement now, there is no "5-year" rule stated, and it perhaps may be a bastardization of this section-

"(6) For purposes of the AECA, the term ``United States'' is defined
in 27 CFR 47.11 and includes Customs bonded warehouses (CBWs) and
foreign trade zones (FTZs). Article 8 of the Agreement provides that
the Agreement shall not affect the fulfillment of contracts with
respect to firearms or ammunition entered or withdrawn from warehouse
for consumption in the United States on or before February 9, 1996.
This means that firearms and ammunition entered into a CBW or FTZ prior
to February 9, 1996, that otherwise could not be imported under the
restrictions set out above have been imported within the meaning of
Section 38 of the AECA and are not subject to such restrictions."

Which is stating that if there were import contracts on "legal" weapons that are now considered "illegal to import" because of the agreement, the agreement would not nullify them. Hence, perhaps the time in another country refers to being in that nation prior to 2/9/96, and able to prove that via paper trail?

Regardless, as the SVT was produced in the former Soviet Union, it's banned from import under this agreement. The agreement can be amended, at the behest of either signatory, but the US hasn't petitioned Russia to allow the SVT to be imported, and neither has Russia asked for them to be allowed exported.

If the 5-year rule does exist, and it's looking more doubtful that it does, very few importers would want to sit on a shipment, store it, secure it, etc. for 5+ years. That's a lot of capital to invest with no return, and consequently, prices would reflect that if and when the rifles were finally imported.

Agreement can be read here- http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/...et_imports.txt
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1942 German K98 (Russian Capture)
1943 M1 Garand Winchester
1943 NPM M1 Carbine
1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula
1943 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant DDR
1944 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine
1945 M1 Garand Springfield
1943 Remington 1911A1
1956 Sino-Soviet SKS
1965 XM16E1 Retro-Build
1958 Remington 870 Wingmaster
WASR-10 Kalashnikov AK-47 Romanian
Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Patriot Series
Smith & Wesson M&P-40
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Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby Mindflayer » Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:50:09

Nice collection that you're building.


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Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby 2k05gt » Sat, 15 Aug 2015 22:24:49

Mindflayer wrote:Nice collection that you're building.


Thats only the Russian Collection..

Here is my American Collection
1943 Winchester M1 Garand
1943 National Postal Meter M1 Carbine
1943 Remington Rand 1911-A1
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I only Have 1 German Rifle
1942 K98 Mauser bcd "Gustloff" RC

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My Arsenal:
1942 German K98 (Russian Capture)
1943 M1 Garand Winchester
1943 NPM M1 Carbine
1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula
1943 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant DDR
1944 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine
1945 M1 Garand Springfield
1943 Remington 1911A1
1956 Sino-Soviet SKS
1965 XM16E1 Retro-Build
1958 Remington 870 Wingmaster
WASR-10 Kalashnikov AK-47 Romanian
Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Patriot Series
Smith & Wesson M&P-40
Ruger SR9

Next Firearm:
GEW 41

Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby 2k05gt » Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:08:49

Wow the Extra Magazines for the SVT are pricey and hard to find. is 150-200 normal for Mags ????
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My Arsenal:
1942 German K98 (Russian Capture)
1943 M1 Garand Winchester
1943 NPM M1 Carbine
1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula
1943 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant DDR
1944 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine
1945 M1 Garand Springfield
1943 Remington 1911A1
1956 Sino-Soviet SKS
1965 XM16E1 Retro-Build
1958 Remington 870 Wingmaster
WASR-10 Kalashnikov AK-47 Romanian
Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Patriot Series
Smith & Wesson M&P-40
Ruger SR9

Next Firearm:
GEW 41

Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby CCFan » Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:05:24

Nice SVT! I've got a '41 over in the "Show Off Your Hardware" posts somewhere... Funny, my Russian collection looks a lot like yours, except my SKS is an old Chi-Com... I'm digging the American collection as well.
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Re: 1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula

Postby 2k05gt » Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:11:25

Thanks..
I was looking at your post, very nice. I really liked it.

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1965 XM16E1
Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Limited Edition (Patriot Series)
M4 Carbine
"A gun is like a parachute, if you ever need one and don't have one, you'll never need one again"
Calling Illegal Aliens “Undocumented residents” is like calling a Drug Dealers “Unlicensed Pharmacists!”


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Posts: 170
Joined: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:04:58
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My Arsenal:
1942 German K98 (Russian Capture)
1943 M1 Garand Winchester
1943 NPM M1 Carbine
1943 Tokarev SVT 40 Tula
1943 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant DDR
1944 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine
1945 M1 Garand Springfield
1943 Remington 1911A1
1956 Sino-Soviet SKS
1965 XM16E1 Retro-Build
1958 Remington 870 Wingmaster
WASR-10 Kalashnikov AK-47 Romanian
Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Patriot Series
Smith & Wesson M&P-40
Ruger SR9

Next Firearm:
GEW 41



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