Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

by **gunderwood** » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:06:28

bryanrheem wrote:
Username wrote:As overwhelming as the response is to carry with one in the chamber... I normally don't carry it chambered on my hip. I do realize I will probably get rebuked twenty times over and told to lay down and be a good victim, but I just don't.

I have not been carrying that long, as I've always been more of a long gun guy and just recently purchased a Sig P239 as my carry weapon. This gun does have a de-cocker, but no safety.

Since my job is moving heavy equipment, I have a lot of things tearing at my belt / clothing all day and wouldn't want a snag to tear my gun from the holster and the gun to fire from impact which however remote of a possibility....

As I continue to carry, I may change guns, or change how I carry but as of right now this is how it goes for me.

I'm about 99.99% sure that sigs have a mechanism that prevents accidental discharge. Meaning, the only way it will fire is if the trigger is pulled. I'm sure you know this, but the Double action pull of the Sig is meant to be the 'safety' as it's a much harder pull.

Personally, regardless of the gun, a round is always chambered.

Most guns have a series of "internal safeties" which are designed to prevent firing unless it is intended. Technically, anything is possible, but it just doesn't happen. "Accidental" discharges are usually anything but...usually they are because they pulled the trigger on accident or without realizing it. If the gun is kept in a holster it isn't going to discharge.

by **lyellowdragonl** » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:11:35

i carry cocked, locked and one in the chamber in my HK USP. Funny thing was i was OC and was eating and a US Marshal came up to me and asked if i always carried it cocked. I said yes and he told me i dont need to be carrying a gun cocked and told me when i get to a safe distance i should decock it. I was like i carry it cocked and locked. That being said i guess he wanted to bother me because im young and with a gun. I do have my CCHP and i told him i did so he would know i did have training with my gun. Of course he asked to see and i asked to see his badge. Sorry but i will still always carry it cocked and locked.

by **gunderwood** » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:56:11

lyellowdragonl wrote:i carry cocked, locked and one in the chamber in my HK USP. Funny thing was i was OC and was eating and a US Marshal came up to me and asked if i always carried it cocked. I said yes and he told me i dont need to be carrying a gun cocked and told me when i get to a safe distance i should decock it. I was like i carry it cocked and locked. That being said i guess he wanted to bother me because im young and with a gun. I do have my CCHP and i told him i did so he would know i did have training with my gun. Of course he asked to see and i asked to see his badge. Sorry but i will still always carry it cocked and locked.

Some guns like a 1911 there is no other way. I always carry my 1911 cocked and locked.

by **wpoppert** » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:47:39

I used to be a reserve NCIS agent. We were issued the M11 (SIG 228 - decocker, no external safety), and were required to carry with a round chambered (and at least one spare mag). The philosophy, as noted in many of the earlier posts, was that having to chamber a round just increased your response time, resulting in potentially fatal results for the home team. I always carry with a round chambered in my personal weapon.

by **zephyp** » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:31

gunderwood wrote:
lyellowdragonl wrote:i carry cocked, locked and one in the chamber in my HK USP. Funny thing was i was OC and was eating and a US Marshal came up to me and asked if i always carried it cocked. I said yes and he told me i dont need to be carrying a gun cocked and told me when i get to a safe distance i should decock it. I was like i carry it cocked and locked. That being said i guess he wanted to bother me because im young and with a gun. I do have my CCHP and i told him i did so he would know i did have training with my gun. Of course he asked to see and i asked to see his badge. Sorry but i will still always carry it cocked and locked.

Some guns like a 1911 there is no other way. I always carry my 1911 cocked and locked.

+1 - no other way. carrying a 1911 any other way is sheer folly...

by **Diomed** » Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:12:20

wpoppert wrote:I used to be a reserve NCIS agent.

So is the TV show complete fantasy, or just mostly fantasy? :whistle:

by **rromeo** » Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:26:51

I know that the view out of the office window is complete fantasy.

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by **SgtBill** » Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:33:30

Hand's down if you carry cocked and locked and or a round under the hammer other then something in the age or style of a single action Colt from years gone by it won't fire period unless the weapon has been tampered with by someone or you have YOUR FINGER on the TRIGGER. Even with this you MUST have pressure on the TRIGGER untill it goes bang or it WON"T go BANG. Unless there are some newer weapons out there that don't have some type of a hammer block for the fireing pin like a Smith & Wesson revolver.
Bill

by **zephyp** » Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:32:11

SgtBill wrote:Hand's down if you carry cocked and locked and or a round under the hammer other then something in the age or style of a single action Colt from years gone by it won't fire period unless the weapon has been tampered with by someone or you have YOUR FINGER on the TRIGGER. Even with this you MUST have pressure on the TRIGGER untill it goes bang or it WON"T go BANG. Unless there are some newer weapons out there that don't have some type of a hammer block for the fireing pin like a Smith & Wesson revolver.
Bill

Bill, I know you're an expert but I'm very concerned about carrying with a loaded chamber. Based on what I'm hearing from the government and other organizations guns should only be carried empty and with a trigger lock fully engaged. Additionally, cartridges should be kept in a government approved childproof locked container. Your method doesnt seem to be in accordance with what I'm hearing. Are you sure what you're saying is legal? And, if I'm accosted should I shout, dial 911, or just cooperate with my attacker?

by **wpoppert** » Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:08:04

Diomed wrote:
wpoppert wrote:I used to be a reserve NCIS agent.

So is the TV show complete fantasy, or just mostly fantasy?

Oh, it's all true... and I look just like Mark Harmon! :hysterical:

by **SgtBill** » Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:18:15

DK, stick your finger in Mrs. Bell and yell for help.
LOL
Bill

by **zephyp** » Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:40:30

SgtBill wrote:DK, stick your finger in Mrs. Bell and yell for help.
LOL
Bill

Had to think for a moment by what you meant by Mrs. Bell...

by **jreading** » Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:47:51

I love my sig p230 for the decock lever. My ritual at the range is:

load mag,
cock and feed first round,
immediately use the decock lever (this puts the hammer half way down, not resting on the pin; a brillant design),
holster weapon

Then I practice my draw fire. First shot is 1 1/2 action, so to speak. Then a double tap and decock/holster.

So I "carry" chambered.

by **frankD** » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:08:42

Chambered and ready if needed.

by **Lolcanoe** » Sat, 19 Feb 2011 03:20:16

first post here. i like the reading.

i had to tell a gentleman that my thumb safety won't go on unless the hammer IS cocked. i love my 1911. the guy thought it had gotten caught on my shirt or something. i'd be returning it if that was the case

by **gunderwood** » Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:37:47

Lolcanoe wrote:first post here. i like the reading.

i had to tell a gentleman that my thumb safety won't go on unless the hammer IS cocked. i love my 1911. the guy thought it had gotten caught on my shirt or something. i'd be returning it if that was the case

Carrying a 1911 with the hammer down and the safety off...oh the horror! What would happen if you pulled the trigger on a SA pistol with the hammer down and the safety off? :whistle:

/jk, welcome aboard.

by **whplanet** » Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:58:35

Looks like the consensus is to carry with one in the chamber.
What about the safety?

I have a Px4 Storm. I can only have the safety on with the hammer down, but if the hammer is down, do I really need the safety? Opinions?

by **grumpyMSG** » Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:19:25

whplanet wrote:Looks like the consensus is to carry with one in the chamber.
What about the safety?

I have a Px4 Storm. I can only have the safety on with the hammer down, but if the hammer is down, do I really need the safety? Opinions?

Your safety is also the decocker on your Beretta. If it were me I'd carry it decocked, safety off.

SgtBill wrote:Hand's down if you carry cocked and locked and or a round under the hammer other then something in the age or style of a single action Colt from years gone by it won't fire period unless the weapon has been tampered with by someone or you have YOUR FINGER on the TRIGGER. Even with this you MUST have pressure on the TRIGGER untill it goes bang or it WON"T go BANG. Unless there are some newer weapons out there that don't have some type of a hammer block for the fireing pin like a Smith & Wesson revolver.
Bill

There is one very popular firearm that will go off with the hammer back and safety on. It is a very rare occurrence, but it is possible with a 1911 type pistol. if it is dropped hard enough on the muzzle, the pistol will go off. That is why the series 80 or M1991A1 Colts came into existence. I know the Army had a few accidental discharges documented over the 75 years or so it served as a front line pistol.

by **gunderwood** » Sun, 01 May 2011 08:03:29

Hammer down, safety off. Hammer cocked, safety on.

Only guns which are capable of a double action trigger pull should be CC/OCed hammer down.

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