Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

I'm guessing, Kreutz, that Kaos was venting some frustrations here. At least, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Much of what you said above, I agree with. Though, after you've stated that position, I wonder why you initially responded with sarcasm?

I understand why Kaos would feel as he does; conversing with some of those folks can be frustrating. Often, I will engage in debate more for the benefit of a future reader than for my own benefit or the benefit of the guy that I debate. Sometimes it is highly evident that I am debating someone that has given no thought at all to his position; I can tell by his abundant personal attacks and lack of substance in his argument. I may disagree with you often, but I do believe that you have given your positions a lot thought, and I usually feel like you have come to your position relatively independently, as opposed to spouting off a bunch of Huffington Post quotes.

Somewhere in all that was a point. Damned if I can recall what it was, though. Clearly, I need sleep.

SHMIV wrote:Much of what you said above, I agree with. Though, after you've stated that position, I wonder why you initially responded with sarcasm?

I don't preach to the choir.

I understand why Kaos would feel as he does; conversing with some of those folks can be frustrating.

Yes, but, if you're not "in it to win it", why even bother? All he managed to do is piss himself and probably his audience off.

Often, I will engage in debate more for the benefit of a future reader than for my own benefit or the benefit of the guy that I debate. Sometimes it is highly evident that I am debating someone that has given no thought at all to his position; I can tell by his abundant personal attacks and lack of substance in his argument.

Yep, and you think about posterity, which is good. If someone stumbles upon your post and sees you're the cool calm one, they'll instinctively take your position more seriously than the other guy raving about "gun toting psycho retards" or whatever. Works the other way around and the guy going on about "commie libtards limp pricks" aint gonna come off looking too good either.

I may disagree with you often, but I do believe that you have given your positions a lot thought, and I usually feel like you have come to your position relatively independently, as opposed to spouting off a bunch of Huffington Post quotes.

Yeah, I definitely have some unique opinions, would have had to come them independently.

Not many hardcore isolationist, universal healthcare loving, indifferent to Iranian nukes, environmentalists that dont believe in global warming, pro-gun, pro-gay civil union, anti-immigrant, wary of deregulation, generally pro-life, thinks the death penalty should be a public and daily event, pro-legalization of most drugs and that want a small defensive military type folks out there.

its lonely being me.

Kreutz wrote:
its lonely being me.

If it makes you feel any better (and, even if it doesn't, lol), I also believe in public executions. I prefer hangings, as it costs the least.

The other day my Roomate, an anti gunner, who has long protested my ownership of firearms in the house, heard what he described as a terrifying sound in the middle of the night. He told me that he thought someone was breaking in and he freaked out because he was by himself. He asked me if I would mind being woken up in the middle of the night by him to address the issue (with my gun) if it happened again. I ovbiously said i would. Since then, I haven't Heard anymore of his antigun protests. I guess that's a conversion?

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seanc wrote:The other day my Roomate, an anti gunner, who has long protested my ownership of firearms in the house, heard what he described as a terrifying sound in the middle of the night. He told me that he thought someone was breaking in and he freaked out because he was by himself. He asked me if I would mind being woken up in the middle of the night by him to address the issue (with my gun) if it happened again. I ovbiously said i would. Since then, I haven't Heard anymore of his antigun protests. I guess that's a conversion?

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The next step would be to take him shooting. Once he realizes those things don't just start spouting bullets, willy nilly, out of every orifice, he'll probably be quite comfortable with it. Perhaps an in-depth run down of the safety rules, beforehand, would also be beneficial.

agree completely w/ SHMIV, seanc.
you've got a prime teaching moment at hand. grasp it!