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by **Taggure** » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:16:17

Found this article from the Washington Post interesting recount of a range visit by the writer.

By Courtland Milloy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 15, 2011; 10:41 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021505271.html?wprss=rss_metro/dc

by **ProShooter** » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:59:49

Oh brother....Courtland is at it again.

by **SgtBill** » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:10:27

A man has to know his limitations and he seems too. He is not comfortable with a weapon after maybe 1 hour of shooting and he is smart enough to understand that he would need a lot more time and training to get comfortable and possibly start to carry a weapon.
Mr.Milloy seems to be honest in what he said and wrote.
Bill

by **KaosDad** » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:14:36

THis is the first article by Milloy that didnn't send me into a rant. I actually liked it. Unlike most of the antis out there at least he stitched up a pair and got on the range. I expecially like this part;

"I'd been so mesmerized by the kick of the gun, the flash from the barrel, ejected shell casings flying everywhere, the smell of gun smoke and the adrenaline rush from nicking that paper plate ..." Yep, it's a rush - wait 'till you score your first bull's eye!

I also liked the fact that at no time did he refer to the AR-15 as an "assault rifle."

by **Jakeiscrazy** » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:33:36

Gun safety starts with the gray matter between your ears not at your finger. Really not that bad of an article by Washington Post standards.

by **CowboyT** » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:28:17

Must agree, an actually rather decent article.

by **gunderwood** » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:42

SgtBill wrote:A man has to know his limitations and he seems too. He is not comfortable with a weapon after maybe 1 hour of shooting and he is smart enough to understand that he would need a lot more time and training to get comfortable and possibly start to carry a weapon.
Mr.Milloy seems to be honest in what he said and wrote.
Bill

+1

The article wasn't too bad, but I do find the push for more training by a well to do DC lawyer troubling. Training takes many forms, but professional trigger time is particularly expensive. I'm concerned only well to do people will be able to afford protection if there is a "training" requirement. Technically, you are never done learning or being trained; even seasoned pros can make mistakes. The best safety is the one between your ears.

Each person should have to make a determination as to when they are ready to carry, not the state. Of course, they should also be held accountable for any mistakes they may make. For example, some people have a ton of firearms experience growing up in the country and a basic primer on carry laws is all they need. The level of training required to carry safely varies way to much and the state shouldn't be part of that decision IMHO.

by **ProShooter** » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:07:45

CowboyT wrote:Must agree, an actually rather decent article.

and that is exactly what worries me. Courtland Milloy has never written a kind word about a gun or the idea of concealed carry without some ulterior motive. Stay tuned, folks.

by **Chasbo00** » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:51:42

ProShooter wrote:
CowboyT wrote:Must agree, an actually rather decent article.

and that is exactly what worries me. Courtland Milloy has never written a kind word about a gun or the idea of concealed carry without some ulterior motive. Stay tuned, folks.

I'm with you Jim, I think the real gist of the article is at the end:

"But a moment is all it takes for a tragedy to occur. Who knows what else I'd forget while walking the streets with a gun on my hip?

"Give me another couple of hours on the range with you, and I'll have you to the point where you'll feel comfortable carrying a gun," Lyon said.

As knowledgeable and patient as Lyon was, however, I knew it would take longer than that. A whole lot longer."

The writer is making a case against carry in DC.

by **SgtBill** » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:58:52

Hell I have as much time with a weapon on my hip as most if not more then most people on this forum and I still learn all the time. The only time that you stop learning is when you are in the ground and then no one is sure about that as I don't know of anyone speaking with anyone that has died.
Bill

by **dorminWS** » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:23:11

I'm unaccustomed to that much itellectual honesty from a liberal. He acknowledge the fact that shooting a handgun and hitting a target is enjoyable and fulfilling; and even edmitted he was too big a dumb@ss to pick up proper gunhandling from one lesson. (Everyone is, in my opinion - - I served a long, tough apprenticeship under every adlut within sight on every occasion concerning gun safety. The sanction for poor performance was/would have been being sent home and excluded from the hunt/shoot - a fate worse than death) But it is refreshing to see a liberal admit (1) he doesn't already know every damn thing, and (2) the pursuits of those of us who handle firearms and eat dead animals we killed ourselves are not all so simple as to be easily mastered.

The foregoing, perhaps, more fully explains the feeling several of us have already expressed that the article fosters an uneasiness born of waiting for the other shoe drop.

I reckon it all boils down to what my pappy used to say about them confounded liberals................ you can't trust them in a sh!thouse even if they're wearin' a muzzle.

by **Kreutz** » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:02:08

Fired four different handguns Thursday (didn't know people shared at the range) for the first time in 10 years and as a civilian. No familiarity with the author, but yeah, thats what it felt like.

It was a strange, exhilarating, and sobering (in that I'm a bad shot)experience.

Range safety is of utmost importance though. Saw one "expert" (allowed to rapid-fire) fail to keep his pistol downrange while talking to people. :bangin:

by **SgtBill** » Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:50:02

To be an EXPERT you have to be 60 miles from home and carry a briefcase.
LOL
Bill :hysterical:

by **CowboyT** » Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:10:16

dorminWS wrote:I reckon it all boils down to what my pappy used to say about them confounded liberals................ you can't trust them in a sh!thouse even if they're wearin' a muzzle.

Yeah...us danged liberals...can't trust us, now, can ya? :roll:

by **jim100** » Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:16:38

CowboyT wrote:
dorminWS wrote:I reckon it all boils down to what my pappy used to say about them confounded liberals................ you can't trust them in a sh!thouse even if they're wearin' a muzzle.

Yeah...us danged liberals...can't trust us, now, can ya?

Not as far as we can throw them.

JK

by **CowboyT** » Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:43:47

jim100 wrote:
CowboyT wrote:
dorminWS wrote:I reckon it all boils down to what my pappy used to say about them confounded liberals................ you can't trust them in a sh!thouse even if they're wearin' a muzzle.

Yeah...us danged liberals...can't trust us, now, can ya?

Not as far as we can throw them.

by **dorminWS** » Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:50:21

CowboyT, I ain't a bit ashamed that I disrespected liberals.

That ain't because I don't mind P!ssing you off (I don't mind p!ssing ANYBODY off).

It's because I figure you ortn't to BE p!ssed off. I just don't credit the proposition that you ARE a liberal.

I believe you USED to be one. But I think you've been SAVED and just won't admit it. You might be a libertarian - - (is a libertarian a liberal with a gun? - - no, it takes more than just a gun). There's lots of difference between you and a mere liberal. Chief among them is that you have a sense of humor, BYGOSH! You also have a sense of proportion (at least some), and yes, it must pain a for a former liberal to admit it, but you've got a BACKBONE. That's very, very important in the transition from liberal to right-thinking -feller-fit-for-human-interaction; because a BACKBONE holds your HEAD up out of your ARSE!

Liberal my aunt fanny!

This concludes this lesson in political anatomy.

by **zephyp** » Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:00:15

@G2 - Cowboy aint a liberal...he's a libertarian...big difference. And, liberal is a term that has been bastardized. The twits we deal with today are progressives and socialists. The true liberals left the room a long time ago. I doubt there are very many true liberals around any more and that most are probably like Cowboy - libertarian...we should try to call these morons for what they truly are. Calling them liberals is actually a compliment for what they believe in...think progressive socialists...

by **jim100** » Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:05:34

No, think TOTAL COMMUNISTS.

by **CowboyT** » Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:38:32

Agreed with both zephyp and jim100. Let's get those pinko-Commie/Socialists out of office ASAP. We just need to be careful not to vote Fascists in their place. But yes, this kinda does beg the question why I call myself a liberal and not a "libertarian". It's because I'm using the word "liberal" in its true, non-bastardized sense...and because, yes, I am very socially liberal. Live and let live, so long as you don't step on the rights of others.

As for Mr. Courtland Milloy, he simply acknowledges that it would take him some time to get much better with firearms before carrying one. Personally, I think that's an honest acknowledgement of his current limitations, and I used to feel the same way about myself--afraid to carry or even own a gun for fear of doing something wrong and shooting myself or some innocent. Remember, it took me a couple of decades, but here I am. Perhaps someday Mr. Milloy might also come to a similar position.

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