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12 dead in an elementary school shooting in Brazil
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-ge ... .Shooting/

VS

Brazil's highly restrictive gun control laws
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil

Even Wikipedia says Brazil's gun control laws on carrying outside one's residence are "severely restrictive". So, MSM, Mr Obummer, Ms Pelosi, et al tell me again about "gun control" stopping violent use of guns.

OleMan wrote:12 dead in an elementary school shooting in Brazil
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-ge ... .Shooting/

VS

Brazil's highly restrictive gun control laws
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil

Even Wikipedia says Brazil's gun control laws on carrying outside one's residence are "severely restrictive". So, MSM, Mr Obummer, Ms Pelosi, et al tell me again about "gun control" stopping violent use of guns.

Also note this from the wiki:

"Some 39,000 people died in 2003 due to gun-related injuries nationwide.[2] In 2004, the number was 36,000.[1] Although Brazil has 110 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths;[6] other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States.[7] Brazil has the second largest arms industry in the Western Hemisphere.[7] Approximately 80 percent of the weapons manufactured in Brazil are exported, mostly to neighboring countries; many of these weapons are then smuggled back into Brazil.[7] Some firearms in Brazil come from police and military arsenals, having either been "stolen or sold by corrupt soldiers and officers."[7]"

Just another senseless, tragic reminder of why Gun Free Zones are the most dangerous places in the world. No doubt that the government of Brazil will set in place even more restrictions on their residents to defend themselves from those in society that couldn't care less about gun laws.

But first, they will probably find some way to blame the U.S. for supplying guns to them in the first place. I think I hear Chuck "Where's the Camera?" Schumer about to call a press conference.

Hell he;s probably right now writing up some of that butt wipe he calls legislation to try restricting our rights even more... Chuckie needs to go live in one of those cesspools of humanity and stupidity to get a taste of the utopia crappola he wants to force on us.

All good comments here, which reminded me to look for a current view from Austraila with all the anti-gun legislation there in the last many years - aimed, as in the US, at law abiding citizens who do not commit crimes. I recall that home invasions went up drastically after the government was successful in removing guns from most homes.

Here is the concluding paragraph from an opinion piece in the Daily Caller (apparently by an Australian writer) -

"Gun control is a myth, or rather a mountain of myths sustained by campaigning elites in secure buildings with armed bodyguards: the myth that if law-abiding citizens hand their guns over to the big government to burn, then we will enter a new peace; the myth that if we feel that we are gun controllers, then we are humanitarian citizens even when statistics undermine our self-praising image; and the myth that punishing thousands of farmers and sporting shooters, for the crimes of others, will bring healing. But we (meaning anti-gun Australians) were (and are) wrong."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/19/ameri ... z1Ix3E7454

Do others see the commonality in gun control around the world - "campaigning elites in secure buildings with armed bodyguards"? Sound familiar? I am convinced that the campaigning elites are largely self serving cliques, dictators, socialist or socialist-leaners (many are lawyers, professional politicians, journalists, writers and entertainers) who look down on average people and rely on government control of most everything to implement their 'agenda' without reducing their income or preventing them from being protected.

It's gets tiring for this old man to stand very long on the soapbox, so I'll shut up for now.

Oleman

VBshooter wrote: Chuckie needs to go live in one of those cesspools of humanity and stupidity to get a taste of the utopia crappola he wants to force on us.

He already does, NYC.

The flip side of Australia is New Zealand. At one point I was e-mailing a member of the Pro-gun group in NZ...

They go thru background checks pretty stringently, but they get a permit that allows them to own MSSA (Military Styled Semi-Autos) without any restrictions.

Fully Auto is restricted... and certain ammo in certain areas are restricted, but otherwise? You can crawl around pretty freely.

Not as free as WE have, but better than the average area.

Reverenddel wrote:The flip side of Australia is New Zealand. At one point I was e-mailing a member of the Pro-gun group in NZ...

They go thru background checks pretty stringently, but they get a permit that allows them to own MSSA (Military Styled Semi-Autos) without any restrictions.

Fully Auto is restricted... and certain ammo in certain areas are restricted, but otherwise? You can crawl around pretty freely.

Not as free as WE have, but better than the average area.

I don't think so.......

A Category firearms are those that do not fall into any other category, and are the vast majority of legally-owned firearms in New Zealand.
Registration is not required for "A Category" firearms, but firearms in any other category require both registration and a "permit to procure" before they are transferred.
Except under supervision of a licence holder, owning or using firearms requires a firearms licence from the police. The licence is normally issued, under the conditions that the applicant has secure storage for firearms, attends a safety lecture and passes a written test. The police will also interview the applicant and two references (one must be a close relative and the other not related) to determine whether the applicant is "fit and proper" to have a firearm. The applicant's residence is also visited to check that they have appropriate storage for firearms and ammunition. Having criminal associations or a history of domestic violence almost always lead to a licence being declined.
A standard firearms licence allows the use of "A Category" firearms. To possess firearms of another category they are required to get an endorsement to their licence. There are different endorsements for different classes of firearm but they all require a higher level of storage security, stricter vetting requirements and the applicant must have a 'special reason' for wanting the endorsement.
Each endorsement type has additional requirements

D'oh! They changed since the last time I talked with him a few years back!

WOW! Did a shooting happen in NZ recently or something? I was NOT like that a few years ago!

Well now they have a referendum going.
http://insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2011/april/15/latinamerica11041502.htm

Reverenddel wrote:D'oh! They changed since the last time I talked with him a few years back!

WOW! Did a shooting happen in NZ recently or something? I was NOT like that a few years ago!

I really don't know. This is what the wiki says.

Guns are not currently a major political issue, but have been immediately after the Aramoana massacre in 1990, and the Scottish Dunblane and Australian Port Arthur massacres in 1996.