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I'm looking for bulk 7.62x39 to use with my Draco AK-47 pistol and found some that is about 2/3rds of what I've found at my usual source. But then I noticed that it is Russian (124gr HP Wolf WPA Military Classic). Is anyone familiar with this ammo, or have any experience with Russian made ammo to be able to recommend it or to warn me off?

russian ammo... Fine if you pay attention. I don't have experience with the 39 but I have had no probs with my wolf 223. when buying russian ammo look/check for the following...

1 corrosive. If you are not religious about cleaning your gun every time this can be a problem. Many of us have/do use old stock corrosive 7.62x54 ammo in our mossins without issue as we love our guns and take care of them. There are all sorts of tips for dealing with such ammo ranging from windex to urine... ask or look around the board for more info about how to use corrosive ammo without damage to your gun.

2 reload ability. Many of the cheaper ammo can not be reloaded so if you press your own loads it is a factor.

3 broken shells. I myself have never had any such problem but a broken shell extractor is not expensive and a good idea to have lying around. Boyscout always be prepared and all that.

all that said I have used wolf in my 223 ar often with no problems, as well as a few other guns, again with no issues.

it is not competition grade ammo. While great for plinking, targeting, sighting in a scope at short range, burning through clips for fun, breaking in a new barrel, etc... it is not sniper quality. Not that most store bought ammo is mind you. Then again with a draco pistol you don't really have a chance at a 1k shot anyways so go for it. I believe you can find good deals a www.cheaperthandirt.com fairly often and http://www.classicarms.us/ammunition.htm has some deals at the moment as well.

Most of it's fine as far as reliability goes (bad lots happen). Accuracy can be hit or miss, if you'll pardon the pun, and can vary from gun to gun - one gun will do well with brand X, another will do poorly.

Sometimes HPs don't work so well in AKs, so you may want to make sure it works reliably before ordering in bulk. Then again your average 7.62x39 HP is a HP in name only, so you may be okay.

Personally, I'd go with the lacquered ammo. The Combloc used lacquered 7.62x39 for decades, it's what the guns are designed to shoot, and it holds up better in terms of rust resistance (an issue when using steel case). The gold standard is Golden Tiger, but there's been some recent imports of lacquered ammo that works fine, at least in my experience - it's Klimovsk or KSAP. It's probably not quite as good as Golden Tiger but it works. I blew through a case of it in two guns, every round fed fired and ejected perfectly. No clue on accuracy, we were blasting it (much into a desert hillside). Out of an 8" barrel you'll get a fireball about the size of a beach ball, with a tongue of flame running another three feet or so out beyond the fireball. It's quite impressive.

The other brands, Wolf, Uly, Tula, Brown/Silver Bear, etc. are all okay too for general blasting. If you need accuracy ... handload.

Don't worry about corrosive, the only corrosive left on the market is the Yugo M67. Since it's brass cased it'll be pretty obvious if you're shooting it.

I have been through about 500 rounds of tulammo from cheaper then dirt on my AK and only have one ftf. Good testing/target shooting, but I am sure others may be more accurate.

Also not bad if you want to burn through some clips at the range real fast.

The latest production of Wolf's WPA Military Classic (FMJ) is polymer coated.

The Sportsman's Guide has it for around $0.21/round. You can't beat it with a stick.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/1 ... x?a=271460

drdan01 wrote:I'm looking for bulk 7.62x39 to use with my Draco AK-47 pistol and found some that is about 2/3rds of what I've found at my usual source. But then I noticed that it is Russian (124gr HP Wolf WPA Military Classic). Is anyone familiar with this ammo, or have any experience with Russian made ammo to be able to recommend it or to warn me off?

Ok, so don't hold out on us. Where is the source you've found??

Here it is: http://www.ammunitionstore.com/products ... -case.html

I looks like the same stuff mentioned above, but only $199 for 1K.

OakRidgeStars wrote:The latest production of Wolf's WPA Military Classic (FMJ) is polymer coated.

It seems to work fine, but the poly-coated stuff is not a good choice for long-term storage. Very susceptible to rust.

Try AmmoSeek for ammo prices. You can find some good deals out there. Here is the site:

http://ammoseek.com/

Also the Tula and Wolf are the same ammo made in the same plant.

Unless you are buying old 7.62x39 that is military surplus it shouldn't be corrosive. Wolf Military Classic is not corrosive. It is new manufactured ammo.

Yugo brass cased Berdan primed 7.62x39 can be reloaded again! Berdan primers are available for it. RCBS makes a tool to deprime or you can use the hydraulic method and Lee and RCBS hand priming tools can be used to prime it. Get the primers here:

http://www.dagammo.com/shop/index.php

They are in Fredericksburg, VA. Hope this helps

Wow, ammoseek is very neat!

monkymate wrote:Also the Tula and Wolf are the same ammo made in the same plant.

I'm pretty sure Wolf and Tula have severed their relationship, since Wolf is just an importer and Tula is now importing under their own brand. Last I heard the WPA 7.62x39 was being made in the Ukraine.

Best deals I ever find is over at slickguns.com right now you can get 1000 rounds of brown bear for $208 with free shipping with the use of a cupon posted. All the other sites tend to have astronomical shipping rates, cheaper than dirt the biggest offender.

http://slickguns.com/category/ammo?caliber=10

Rumor has it wolf will cease to exists and is being phased out within a year. At least that is what I heard from a owner at a local shop.